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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by DawgyNWindow View Post
    Yeah, it's obviously cheaper to eschew all state revenues, completely shut down an economy and pump 6 trillion (so far) dollars into a non-functional system rather than making accommodations for workers (and their families) to attend to the vulnerable among us and paying them overtime (I'd pay them a lot more than overtime....heck you could pay them a million each for giving up their life for three or four months and come out cheaper than we are now).

    Louisiana did not force nursing homes to take Covid 19 patients, as far as I am aware. Maybe you know different. Either way the elderly have been treated horribly in all this.

    If you are isolating in one of the apartment complexes I described, which is many/most of them in NYC, you are not really isolating as much as you are exposing yourself to everything in the building. Heaven help you if you have to take your little metrosexual yap dog down to poop on the sidewalk and go get groceries, because then you are touching elevator buttons and door handles and breathing in the farts and sneezes of the folks that passed that way in the last ten minutes.

    If you are under 50 and have none of the conditions that cause issues, you should be at work (social distancing, but working none the less). This isn't the plague or Ebola. It's not even as bad as the flu epidemic of 1918 (note I did not say "Spanish" flu because I don't want someone on here to start killing off Spaniards out of spite).
    Apparently Louisiana nursing homes let COVID positive workers come back. I assume the same is true for their residents (if they survive).

    Keep in mind if you are going to isolate the workers with the residents you will need multiple shifts therefore many more rooms that these nursing facilities don’t have. The isolation strategy just doesn’t work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Apparently Louisiana nursing homes let COVID positive workers come back. I assume the same is true for their residents (if they survive).

    Keep in mind if you are going to isolate the workers with the residents you will need multiple shifts therefore many more rooms that these nursing facilities don’t have. The isolation strategy just doesn’t work.
    Why do you say this? Apparently?

    They did not KNOWINGLY allow infected workers to come in.

    You have no evidence that Louisiana moved infected patients from hospitals to nursing homes.

    Rapid testing is the only solution for the nursing home or LTC facility issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Why is Trump winding down his coronavirus task force?
    He changed his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Why do you say this? Apparently?

    They did not KNOWINGLY allow infected workers to come in.

    You have no evidence that Louisiana moved infected patients from hospitals to nursing homes.

    Rapid testing is the only solution for the nursing home or LTC facility issues.
    Ask the nursing home when the infected worker will come back to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Ask the nursing home when the infected worker will come back to work.
    If they decide to come back it will be after they test negative.

    In your haste to defend Governor "Piercing" you are ignoring the fact that he found a bunch of old people dispensable. Basically, he killed hundreds/thousands of people and refuses to acknowledge it. I'm not a fan our our governor, but I believe he has been locked up on things because of the nursing home/LTC dilemma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    If they decide to come back it will be after they test negative.

    In your haste to defend Governor "Piercing" you are ignoring the fact that he found a bunch of old people dispensable. Basically, he killed hundreds/thousands of people and refuses to acknowledge it. I'm not a fan our our governor, but I believe he has been locked up on things because of the nursing home/LTC dilemma.


    What happens to asymptomatic COVID positive residents of nursing homes?

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    Another 3 million newly unemployed.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post

    What happens to asymptomatic COVID positive residents of nursing homes?
    That's not what happened in New York, but nursing home patients are being protected as much as possible by isolating them as much as possible. Not many, if any nursing home residents would be "asymptomatic" because they all fall into the pre-ex/age range.

    Do you know of anyone above age 70 with comorbidities who is simply asymptomatic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    That's not what happened in New York, but nursing home patients are being protected as much as possible by isolating them as much as possible. Not many, if any nursing home residents would be "asymptomatic" because they all fall into the pre-ex/age range.

    Do you know of anyone above age 70 with comorbidities who is simply asymptomatic?

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    Yes, but that doesn’t mean they won’t develop symptoms. For example, resident of nursing home shows symptoms of Covid and tests positive, workers are tested and they test positive, other residents test positive but are currently asymptomatic.

    Cuomo is a governor.

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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Yes, but that doesn’t mean they won’t develop symptoms. For example, resident of nursing home shows symptoms of Covid and tests positive, workers are tested and they test positive, other residents test positive but are currently asymptomatic.

    Cuomo is a governor.
    Yes he is and a total screw up.

    Again, the situation you describe is not at all what happened in New York which should be a top news story, but is being ignored by MSM.

    MAYBE 10% of the residents in a nursing home could possibly be asymptomatic.

    The numbers may be higher in an LTC facility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Yes he is and a total screw up.

    Again, the situation you describe is not at all what happened in New York which should be a top news story, but is being ignored by MSM.

    MAYBE 10% of the residents in a nursing home could possibly be asymptomatic.

    The numbers may be higher in an LTC facility.
    Every Covid positive person is asymptomatic at some point.

    I don’t like the idea of sending a Covid positive person to a nursing home period. I would want to see multiple negative tests over the course of multiple days before sending them back. That is the system that guisslapp would run.

    But there is a little more to the NY story

    “They have to readmit COVID-positive residents, but only if they have the ability to provide the adequate level of care under Department of Health and CDC guidelines,” Cuomo said, referring to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    “If they do not have the ability to provide the appropriate level of care, then they have to transfer that patient or they call the Department of Health, and the Department of Health will transfer that patient,” Cuomo added.
    Another important timeline piece. The state mandate you are referring to was from March 25. The Comfort didn’t get sent to NY until March 30. New York was dealing with a health care system crisis at the time.

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    81% of New York voters approve of Cuomo's handling of the COVID 19 Pandemic according to the latest Quinnipiac poll.
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    Re: Covid - 19

    Quote Originally Posted by Guisslapp View Post
    Every Covid positive person is asymptomatic at some point.




    Another important timeline piece. The state mandate you are referring to was from March 25. The Comfort didn’t get sent to NY until March 30. New York was dealing with a health care system crisis at the time.
    Yes, every patient is asymptomatic just before they get the virus. Don't assume many, if any at all, of the nursing home patients have a lag from exposure to symptoms. I assume that is the testing window you think should be monitored. That is impossible to do with nursing home patients, but hopefully possible for the employees very soon.

    That would be a state guideline that he had the power to change as needed. He is blaming the CDC for something he had complete authority to handle properly. He hit the panic button and killed people.

    He was looking for hospital beds so he took those likely to die anyway out of the hospital and sent them back to mix with others who were sure to die if they were infected...and they did. BTW, many of these sick people were sent back to the nursing homes AFTER the Comfort got there and after the pop up hospitals were built. Basically none of those facilities were used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnylightnin View Post
    81% of New York voters approve of Cuomo's handling of the COVID 19 Pandemic according to the latest Quinnipiac poll.
    Before they knew how many nursing home patients he killed or are New York voters okay with genocide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PawDawg View Post
    Before they knew how many nursing home patients he killed or are New York voters okay with genocide?
    The results of this poll were released yesterday. I imagine they're no more pro-genocide than the Texas Lt. Governor.
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