For the record, money spent at Sonic (particularly at happy hour) is always spent in good faith.
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For the record, money spent at Sonic (particularly at happy hour) is always spent in good faith.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Not happening, but keep up the good work mentioned in my favorite Bible verse...James 1:27.Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
It's too close to my house.
It's just too easy to pop in and use the app (so that it's always happy hour)! So tempting.
You don’t believe they are raising money by promising something that is all but impossible?
Which part isn't happening?
I agree that there are some assumptions being made about who is sending in the money (probably semi-reasonable assumptions, but I know I haven't seen any data on this, nor have I actually looked).
Or are you saying that people aren't being sold a result that is unlikely (at best)?
Do you think most donors are wealthy people who understand that the almost certain outcome of their donation is simply attorney bills and campaign cost offsets? That's possible. And of course it's totally fine that they spend their money however they want.
But really, what isn't happening?
You guys are judging the givers and the takers based on what you believe.
I believe they can/should give to whatever they want to give to.
I think what really bothers you guys is that bad orange man will not go away quietly. He will continue to get support from 50% of the population which includes 90% of the American work force. I think it drives you nuts that you can't control their thought process like the democrats can control their mindless robots.
Who's judging the givers?
And, after your last three sentences, you sure we're the ones making unjustified judgements?
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
.You guys are judging the givers and the takers based on what you believe.
Well, yeah. At least the takers. If I were to ask you for money to support my lawsuit based on proof that I totally had that I should be named President instead of Biden or Trump, you'd tell me to take a hike. And if you were discussing me and my efforts to become President against all odds with some online friends and debating my merits (I didn't receive a single vote to my knowledge) and some in that group were arguing on my behalf (either because they believe me or just as devil's advocate or out of disdain for Biden/Trump) you'd likely point out your conclusions about my chances (none). And if someone in that conversation said, "Inudesu is totally going to win, I've been contributing to his efforts" you'd have some (justified) questions. Justified because it's the topic of discussion, justified because of your conclusions about the merits of my chances, justified because message boards are made for this stuff, maybe justified as a citizen over my wasting of governmental resources or undermining of American trust.
Donald Trump has certainly a better claim than me, but only because my claim is nothing. He did get a TON of votes. Many, many, many people really did (and do) want him to be President. For sure. Indisputably.
But it's still pretty much a done deal. That I believe is fairly a done deal. That I also believe is known to be a done deal by many (if not all) who are making the claims. No, I certainly can't prove intent. I am also not currently sitting as a Supreme Court justice (not yet - although it's probably not a job I'd be interested in anyway).
But yes, I am judging the takers in this case based on what I believe is true in terms of the almost certain outcomes and based on what I am assuming about what they believe to be the almost certain outcomes. But how else would I judge them?
I believe they can/should give to whatever they want to give to.
I'm pretty sure I've already agreed to this. What I was asking is whether you think they'll get the outcome they expect for the money? Which is their money which they are totally free to use however they want. I am free to buy your neighbor's used car. Based on your information, you could maybe give me a clue about whether it will run or not, right? And naturally, even if you told me that it's not a good car to buy, I'm still free to do so. Do you think Trump "wins" the election if enough people donate to his legal team/campaign costs?
I think what really bothers you guys is that bad orange man will not go away quietly.
Hey, wait a minute! Are you judging me based on what you believe?
But yeah, I do think he should concede and wrap things up and head off to private life (where he is free to write a book, sign a tv deal, run for other offices including 2024 presidential election, etc). There was never an expectation that he would go quietly. Anyone who thought that was ever an option has been living under a rock. I would like for him to acknowledge defeat and stop trying to convince people (in some cases successfully) that the election was unfair due to a conspiracy.
And I don't know if "bad orange man" is trending on conservative social media or you saw that on The View or something but I've noticed you use that phrase sarcastically a lot. It's clear that you're being sarcastic, but as a side note - his skin color is a little odd, right? I don't think you'll find many (if any) comments from me about his appearance around here, I don't have any more time for that from the left than I do from the right, but. . . It's not very convincing as a tan to me.
He will continue to get support from 50% of the population which includes 90% of the American work force. I think it drives you nuts that you can't control their thought process like the democrats can control their mindless robots.
No. I mean, yes, he'll continue to get support from a large percentage of the population (I question your exact figures). But no, I don't want to control anyone's thoughts. At least not past the normal amount that you'd have in any message board discussion. Plus, there go judging based on what you believe again.
Exactly! Or those that give to Planned Parenthood, Dem. Party or Biden. That doesn't obviously bother these guys.
The Socialist and Communist mindset can’t handle someone being able to give money to anyone or organization they don’t think is right nor should it be allowed. In fact that’s the government’s money. I’m afraid some above don’t understand the path they are taking right now.
It only takes one state to start going in the right direction- and maybe it will not happen in time, but the chance is worth it for me and many others. Even an idiot can see this was ripe for fraud. Whether you believe there is fraud is something different. I do believe it was, and I have donated MY money. I am guessing Don doesn't give a crap what you think, and the millions of others of us don't either. Hello, I have a job, and I get to spend it however I want. The arrogance of your post disgusts me!
I suppose the good news here about the arrogance of my post (or not) is that we're going to see, right? Not working too well so far, but there is always a chance.
If you're donating in the hopes that first one state and then another changes their results to the point that Trump wins the election, and you've weighed the odds of that happening and think it's worth it, sure. I've said over and over that I do not think any of these claims has been valid to the point of overturning anything, much less the hundreds of thousands of votes it would take to change the overall result. So far, every court has said the same. And we're kind of up against it at this point.
But OAN and Newsmax and Rudy and Donald and the Kracken and some kind of pillow guy (right? I'm not following this close enough to know who this guy is, but for some reason I occasionally see someone quoted on twitter who invented a pillow or something? IDK) are saying there is something there, they just never really seem to say the same level of things in court for some (obvious) reason.
When we talk about football on this site, we argue our points. "no, this guy should be the starter that other can't run well enough" or whatever. We're talking about the merits of the case(s) and the media narratives that drive either skepticism (me) or trust (you, apparently). So in that context, donating to the cause came up. To the extent that most taking part are pretty convinced of their case, every comment in the discussion is "arrogant."
To circle back to my analogy from before, if I want to buy your neighbor's used car and you and I are chatting, I'd hope you would mention that you don't think it runs. I can still buy it (it's my money) and how reasonable your reasons are vs. your neighbor's selling points is up to me to determine (your neighbor may not be happy with you, on the other hand if I buy a lemon and you knew, I might be mad in that case).
Again - I understand donating and I understand (as I may have mentioned) that you can use your money however you want. I even understand donating based on principle in support of a lost cause. I'm just throwing out there that if you think it's a lost cause (you obviously don't, that's the point) you could probably give more directly to the cause (either directly to Trump or to election reform causes or your local election board). But those are just suggestions. If you think your donation will get Donald Trump back in power as president for another term (and that's what you want) then OF COURSE you are free to try. But I just don't think it's going to happen. We've been going round and round on these threads about why or why not, people will obviously make up their own minds. I'm just making my point.
Sorry for the disgust.
In case it isn't clear, that point has been conceded. Spend your money how you like, my advice (which you can take or not as you like) is that this particular way of spending your money is unlikely to get the result you are seeking, but if you disagree or don't care about the end result (are not giving your money predicated on an expectation of Trump necessarily winning) or if you are 50/50 but think there is just the slightest chance that it might pay off -by all means. I cannot tell you how to spend your money. But in the (very mild) vein of "hey guys, you should buy this book, it's great" or "don't buy a ticket for this movie, it stinks" sense of suggesting what will probably happen should you spend your money in a certain way - and in that sense only - I think this is a poor investment, because I think there is no case here, the election was legal, the legal challenges will (continue to) fail, and Biden will be president.
And then, yeah. Some governmental policies will go a different way from what you (and often I) would prefer. That's for sure.
What is more disgusting is the idea that one thinks giving money might actually work. That is a disgusting proposition, because it means that you would be hoping to overturn people’s votes (the will of the people) in favor of the state government picking their own slate of electors.
Just because you aren’t happy with an election result is a poor excuse to try to destroy our democratic traditions. It is unAmerican.
Trump is stress testing our election system right now (and the idea of democracy, in general). It isn’t working, but harm is being done.
The Supreme Court (and lower courts for that matter) have made it clear in they are going to try to protect what makes America.
Shows how absolutely it was to ever trust this maniac with the power of the executive branch.
I do think the judicial system is holding up like champs right now. Look at how many blistering opinions have come from conservative or at least conservative appointed judges.
I think a lot of the legislative branch would say one thing privately but are cowards (they're not saying anything to me personally, so again - it's about what media you trust). No shock there. Hard to expect them to be anything more than politicians.
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