Colorado back to Big XII

[inudesu]

Did we ever win?

In the conference realignment game?

2001 was a huge win - that WAC vs. Independence (or the SB option we also had)? Big win.

2013 was also a huge win. We went from being the easternmost team to smack in the middle of our division. We traded trips to San Jose and New Mexico for trips to DFW and Houston. We joined our third most played team (second most played FBS team). Plus, the WAC was crumbling. We could have ended up like NMSU without a seat at all. That round of realignment was a really big win.

So yeah - 2 wins at least. Big West experiment didn't seem to go so well although I assume it looked workable at the time. It didn't last long (but was before my time). But the '04 realignment was a loss, and this 2022 thing was a huge kick in the teeth. Wheel will spin again, about every five years since we've been Div1A/FBS there has been a notable conference change for us. If we power through the current situation things might improve again.

[THEarmada]

Unfortunately I feel the same way. It's the nature of the beast that we are all stuck in. Many of these schools could have prevented this all happening before. OSU/WSU could have blocked the inclusion of Utah and Colorado, preserving the MWC and diminishing the deterioration of the Big12. But WSU/OSU saw the dollar signs and followed them and now they are upset members of their conference are following the dollar signs. The ACC destroyed the Big East and now they are walking the plank. Baylor and TT left the SWC behind and then were surprised when they were left behind by their fellow deserters. They all could have fought against this but greed got to them. They shouldn't be surprised that others are doing the same.

Great points!

[THEarmada]

In the conference realignment game?

2001 was a huge win - that WAC vs. Independence (or the SB option we also had)? Big win.

2013 was also a huge win. We went from being the easternmost team to smack in the middle of our division. We traded trips to San Jose and New Mexico for trips to DFW and Houston. We joined our third most played team (second most played FBS team). Plus, the WAC was crumbling. We could have ended up like NMSU without a seat at all. That round of realignment was a really big win.

So yeah - 2 wins at least. Big West experiment didn't seem to go so well although I assume it looked workable at the time. It didn't last long (but was before my time). But the '04 realignment was a loss, and this 2022 thing was a huge kick in the teeth. Wheel will spin again, about every five years since we've been Div1A/FBS there has been a notable conference change for us. If we power through the current situation things might improve again.

The miss out of the first round of expansion and squeak in 5 years later pattern (CUSA, sunbelt?) is a killer for fan support.

[techman05]

The miss out of the first round of expansion and squeak in 5 years later pattern (CUSA, sunbelt?) is a killer for fan support.

Exactly! Program success, fan engagement, new season ticket and LTAC members, & creative and original student engagement are what we should be paying people in the admin to figuring out and setting us up for. Those things lead to open doors for more opportunity. I’m still not convinced that full stadiums and our area people tuning in on tv option(however limited) plus an admin willing to do the work on that stuff above would have made us a no brainer for a beneficial conference move long before they actually happened for us. I know many disagree.

[revf]

Exactly! Program success, fan engagement, new season ticket and LTAC members, & creative and original student engagement are what we should be paying people in the admin to figuring out and setting us up for. Those things lead to open doors for more opportunity. I’m still not convinced that full stadiums and our area people tuning in on tv option(however limited) plus an admin willing to do the work on that stuff above would have made us a no brainer for a beneficial conference move long before they actually happened for us. I know many disagree.

The biggest problem for the last several years is they made it really hard to be a Tech fan...

Tommy boy killed:
1. Tailgating with the insane 8:00AM Rule. Decreasing the number of tailgaters exponetially. The Hill is now a shell of what it used to be.
2. Student Involvement by kicking them out of Hideaway Park over alchol.
3. Dumb digital ticketing making it harder to get into the game.
4. Rearranging the parking lot for "big donors" who never show up to the games to begin with. So they can squeeze more money from the bigs without actually putting more fans in the stands.

NONE of these were ever even considered to be walked back after Tommy boy left. NOT ONE. Which means the President who everyone claims "gets it" doesn't get jack.

For me, the WAC days were the high watermark of Tech football...games were fun. People were excited.

Now its no big deal to miss a game or 4.

[BCSDAWG]

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/tc...reaking%20News

Interesting...

[dawg80]

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/tc... Breaking News

Interesting...

One of the appealing aspects of college football was its traditions. Those have all but totally disappeared now, and the ones left are living on borrowed time. What's next, Army-Navy will stop playing each other too?!

[SicemDawgz]

The biggest problem for the last several years is they made it really hard to be a Tech fan...

Tommy boy killed:
1. Tailgating with the insane 8:00AM Rule. Decreasing the number of tailgaters exponetially. The Hill is now a shell of what it used to be.
2. Student Involvement by kicking them out of Hideaway Park over alchol.
3. Dumb digital ticketing making it harder to get into the game.
4. Rearranging the parking lot for "big donors" who never show up to the games to begin with. So they can squeeze more money from the bigs without actually putting more fans in the stands.

NONE of these were ever even considered to be walked back after Tommy boy left. NOT ONE. Which means the President who everyone claims "gets it" doesn't get jack.

For me, the WAC days were the high watermark of Tech football...games were fun. People were excited.

Now its no big deal to miss a game or 4.

A great example of how one bad hire can set a program back by leaps and bounds. He had a large part in killing any excitement surrounding the Football program, NIL and realignment were the final nail in the coffin.

[NTXDawg]

I agree with so much that has been said in this thread, but I think it's time to face the music. The last few decades have really shifted college football. In the past, yes, program success meant something for a small school. Now, I don't believe it means anything at all. The ONLY thing that matters now is market exposure and Tech doesn't and never will have it. Just look at OSU and WSU. Left behind, market played a huge role in that and they are light years ahead of us. I believe the best we can hope for is the big boys to break away and leave all the smaller schools behind to do their own regional conferences. It's odd, but it seems like the circle back to 1A and 1AA is happening.

[dawg80]

I agree with so much that has been said in this thread, but I think it's time to face the music. The last few decades have really shifted college football. In the past, yes, program success meant something for a small school. Now, I don't believe it means anything at all. The ONLY thing that matters now is market exposure and Tech doesn't and never will have it. Just look at OSU and WSU. Left behind, market played a huge role in that and they are light years ahead of us. I believe the best we can hope for is the big boys to break away and leave all the smaller schools behind to do their own regional conferences. It's odd, but it seems like the circle back to 1A and 1AA is happening.

That would make one NSU Demon fan very happy. He hates that LSU (and I guess Tulane too) is not the only "major" in Louisiana. This fellow goes back so far, he would love to see all the state schools, sans LSU, in the same lower-level conference. Talks about how cheap travel would be and fans could easily get to all the league games. Wow! Claims he is concerned about taxpayers having to support these silly, loser programs...and he mentions Tech and ULL prominently...who can never play for a national championship in football. He's also a dyed-in-the-wool, give-me-a-handout democrap, so I can't see that he actually cares about taxpayer dollars.

[PawDawg]

Something positive from NIL and the portal crap, but there is a big "IF"...

We can pick up some potential players who are not getting paid anyway or are riding the pine. This year should tell us if we have a coach who can manage the crap show he was handed by Holtz. IMO, 6 or 7 wins would be acceptable.

Also IMO, we won't lose many "stud players" if any. A LaTech player will REALLY have to show out for us to get poached. If a guy transfers out he probably was not helping us anyway.

[NTXDawg]

That would make one NSU Demon fan very happy. He hates that LSU (and I guess Tulane too) is not the only "major" in Louisiana. This fellow goes back so far, he would love to see all the state schools, sans LSU, in the same lower-level conference. Talks about how cheap travel would be and fans could easily get to all the league games. Wow! Claims he is concerned about taxpayers having to support these silly, loser programs...and he mentions Tech and ULL prominently...who can never play for a national championship in football. He's also a dyed-in-the-wool, give-me-a-handout democrap, so I can't see that he actually cares about taxpayer dollars.

I’m a little confused by this response. If all that was directed at me, you have me confused with someone else.

[FriscoDog]

The biggest problem for the last several years is they made it really hard to be a Tech fan...

Tommy boy killed:
1. Tailgating with the insane 8:00AM Rule. Decreasing the number of tailgaters exponetially. The Hill is now a shell of what it used to be.
2. Student Involvement by kicking them out of Hideaway Park over alchol.
3. Dumb digital ticketing making it harder to get into the game.
4. Rearranging the parking lot for "big donors" who never show up to the games to begin with. So they can squeeze more money from the bigs without actually putting more fans in the stands.

NONE of these were ever even considered to be walked back after Tommy boy left. NOT ONE. Which means the President who everyone claims "gets it" doesn't get jack.

For me, the WAC days were the high watermark of Tech football...games were fun. People were excited.

Now its no big deal to miss a game or 4.

Totally agree with all of this, but my question is now that Tommy is gone, why not do away with these silly executive decisions that killed the game day experience for EVERYONE??

[dawg80]

I’m a little confused by this response. If all that was directed at me, you have me confused with someone else.

Confused? You wrote: all the smaller schools behind to do their own regional conferences. It's odd, but it seems like the circle back to 1A and 1AA is happening.

Then I commented there's a fellow who longs for the days all state schools are together in 1-AA. Seems pretty clear to me

[PawDawg]

Totally agree with all of this, but my question is now that Tommy is gone, why not do away with these silly executive decisions that killed the game day experience for EVERYONE??

Because our president is the one who told our AD to make the tailgating change among others. He marches to the beat of his largest donors and the gameday experience is all about them.