Russia

[Blue Dawg]

It seems pointless to speak of anything "Ukraine" has done since 2014 after the CIA-backed coup. That's a good thing I guess. I suppose massacring civilians in Kiev was a good thing as long as it meant a more malleable government for VP Biden's money-laundering. The good guys, who then ignored the Minsk Agreement and continued bombing ethnic Russians in the Donbass.

"Ukraine" supporters are of course entitled to their opinion, but your bloodthirstiness is on your own head just as much as if you cheered on every action Putin's taken. And the destruction of "Ukraine" is on YOUR hands.

I wanted Ukraine to take the peace deal offered by Russia in the first month of the war. So did they. But I guess it's a good thing the Good Guys told Ukraine to reject it, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukrainians. But hey, they're the good guys. What use are a hundred cemeteries full of good guys?

Reasonable people can have reasonable discussions about war, its causes, its probable outcomes. The bloodlust you show here is extremely unreasonable and unbecoming, to put it mildly.

[dawg80]

Prigozhin is dead!

Reports of a plane crash. Good riddance to that pig!

Pundit on CNBC commenting on the breaking news has actually said he is certain this was an assassination, ordered by Putin. I agree. This is Putin's MO.

Just saw a video of the plane. It was a private jet with 10 onboard, passengers and crew. No survivors. The plane was trailing smoke and spiraling out of control all the way to the ground. Clearly something happened to it, like a bomb onboard or some kind of missile attack maybe. Also reported that Prigozhin's second in command was also onboard. Ironically, CNN had just released a video published by Prigozhin himself this morning saying he and his Wagner thugs were in Africa and will be operating there. The video and the plane crash both occurred near Moscow. I suppose Priggy was heading to Africa on that plane. Oops!

[dawg80]

It seems pointless to speak of anything "Ukraine" has done since 2014 after the CIA-backed coup. That's a good thing I guess. I suppose massacring civilians in Kiev was a good thing as long as it meant a more malleable government for VP Biden's money-laundering. The good guys, who then ignored the Minsk Agreement and continued bombing ethnic Russians in the Donbass.

"Ukraine" supporters are of course entitled to their opinion, but your bloodthirstiness is on your own head just as much as if you cheered on every action Putin's taken. And the destruction of "Ukraine" is on YOUR hands.

I wanted Ukraine to take the peace deal offered by Russia in the first month of the war. So did they. But I guess it's a good thing the Good Guys told Ukraine to reject it, leading to the deaths of tens of thousands of Ukrainians. But hey, they're the good guys. What use are a hundred cemeteries full of good guys?

Reasonable people can have reasonable discussions about war, its causes, its probable outcomes. The bloodlust you show here is extremely unreasonable and unbecoming, to put it mildly.

You don't get off that easy. When Putin invaded you were cheering his thugs on because you said Ukraine was nothing but Nazis and all deserved to die. Of course that was, and still is, a stupid assertion, proven to be nothing but Russian propaganda TRYING to win favor and support for their evil invasion. This was nothing but a greedy landgrab attempt by Putin and his inner circle of international criminals. It has failed. Thank God!

Why should Ukraine have agreed to a peace deal then, or now for that matter, that leaves a portion of their nation in an invader's hands? Let's have Putin completely withdraw, including from Crimea, and then the two countries can sign a peace deal.

The destruction of Ukraine, as you say, is being conducted by your boy Putin. He, and his supporters, have blood on your hands. He has been murdering women and children and other non-combatants like Hitler did to London. Only recently has Ukraine retaliated and only with small drones since they still lack the long-range missiles to reach Moscow and other targets. And yes, DEATH TO ALL TYRANTS and ALL of their evil thug legions. No sympathy for evil-doers. What is reasonable about supporting invaders? Do you also support Hiter's aims of the 1940's? After all, Hitler was just trying to strengthen Germany's economy by seizing the oil fields in eastern Europe and in parts of Russia. Ole Adolf knew the Soviets wouldn't take too kindly to that, so he decided to strike first. From his POV, it was all "reasonable."

[Blue Dawg]

Yes, Ukraine's Nazi problem hasn't gone away, that's certainly true. But they're the good guys, so it's fine.

Oh, I don't know, to prevent the massacre of their population? Doesn't matter what you think about it, they were going to agree before the globalists in the White House nixed it and doomed them.

Putin is not "my boy" but his enemies are my enemies, for the time being. If he were as insane or insanely evil as your wild posts suggest, perhaps playing nuclear brinksman is a stupid idea. I thought then and still believe that Putin had perfectly reasonable concerns about a US-couped regime on his doorstep. If you don't want people to think you have a Nazi problem, maybe stop using swastikas and sonnenrads and singing Bandera's praises. We don't have to agree with Putin's or Hitler's chosen course of action to understand why they felt they had to take the actions they did to secure their nations. If you refuse to learn that you're just being purposefully ignorant.

I presume you don't support any of the US's "evil invasions" then. I honestly can't believe you see this conflict in such black and white terms, even after all of this. Your histrionic bloodlust is quite frankly repugnant.

[dawg80]

I find you repugnant.

I know you don't give a shit about Ukrainian people, you know the average person just trying to live their lives, raise families, kind of like most of the rest of the decent world does, but I rejoiced with those just liberated in the town of Robetyne. Too bad they actually survived Putin's thugs who tried to kill them. They hid in a cave dug from their basement and managed to survive all these 18 months. How, I'm not sure. How did they get food and water, for instance. Must be an amazing story. But, when the GOOD GUYS drove out the evil invaders these people, and their neighbors who also managed to survive, came out. The raw emotion, the tears of joy...one woman went to her knees and then kissed the boots of the gallant Ukran soldiers. Even if I knew little about this war, knew and cared very little about what is going on there, all I would have to see is something like this to understand who needs to win this war. Unlike you, apparently, I am not as interested in the geopolitical ramifications as I care about the real human costs of this evil invasion. Not that I don't care about the bigger picture, but those concerns take a back seat to the suffering these innocent folks are going through.

In January 2022 Ukrainians were living peacefully, minding their own business and then Bam! here comes a piece of shit tyrant bent on restoring the old EVIL EMPIRE, as Ronald Reagan called it, and now these folks have had to endure 18 months of hell, not to mention the massive rebuild of their lives after the thugs are forcibly ejected from their country.

I suppose you will cheer on the Chicoms should they ever be stupid enough to invade Taiwan. Your advice would be for the Taiwanese to bend over, grab their ankles and take it up the ass, just so...what? Just to avoid a war? Really? I also see your strong anti-American sentiments shining through referring to our nation's necessary military actions as "evil invasions." Of course, a supporter of Putin and the Chicoms would think like that.

Well, here we are. You have your side you are rooting for: the Putinites, and I have my side: the Good Guys. Like fans of college football, eh. Hell, I know a lot of LSU fans. Can't understand that, but I suppose they have their reasons for supporting that "evil empire."

Keep posting though. Don't be a coward like Goosey is and disappear from this board just because you are wrong.

[Blue Dawg]

Absolutely insane.

I had my problems with Guislapp, I doubt we agreed on much at all except that you have completely lost your mind.

OUR invasions are always "necessary military actions," of course. One might even call them Special Military Operations.

[Blue Dawg]

Wagner seems to confirm Prigozhin has died. I'm not sure why he didn't take the first railroad out of Belarus the second he managed to walk away from Moscow. Putin explicitly said there would be "retribution" two months ago. If you come at the king, don't miss.

Does seem to be some question how it was done though. The damage on the aircraft doesn't seem consistent with AA, so it's probable it was internal sabotage of some kind. US citizens were warned to leave Belarus the day before, so that's curious timing.

[dawg80]

Wagner seems to confirm Prigozhin has died. I'm not sure why he didn't take the first railroad out of Belarus the second he managed to walk away from Moscow. Putin explicitly said there would be "retribution" two months ago. If you come at the king, don't miss.

Does seem to be some question how it was done though. The damage on the aircraft doesn't seem consistent with AA, so it's probable it was internal sabotage of some kind. US citizens were warned to leave Belarus the day before, so that's curious timing.

Just watched a video by a retired army veteran who says he knows about AA missiles, and he says the damage to the plane is very consistent with an AA missile attack. Here's his reasoning...

the plane's fuselage was completely intact, meaning an internal explosion, a bomb, is unlikely.
the plane lost a wing, which is clear to see in the video of it spiraling towards the ground, again the type of damage a missile would do
and finally, video of the wreckage, that which didn't burn up, clearly shows shrapnel holes, again consistent with the way an AA missile works, as it explodes near the target sending shrapnel ripping thru the aircraft.

Does all of this mean it was a missile attack? No, but the evidence points in that direction.

Next, many pundits are scratching their heads pondering WHY, if true, would Putin order such an assassination of Prigozhin. It doesn't make sense. First, Priggy was leaving Russia, probably never to return on a permanent basis anyway. If Putin wanted ole Prig out of the way, politically, well that was happening. Secondly, if Putin wanted to assassinate Priggy then a much better way would have been to wait until he was in Africa, close to some combat, and have him shot by a hired sniper or something. Would have been a whole lot less scrutiny on Putin's involvement in this.

Now, while the pundits scratch their heads wondering, here's the answer to that question as to WHY? Putin is nuts!

[dawg80]

Absolutely insane.

I had my problems with Guislapp, I doubt we agreed on much at all except that you have completely lost your mind.

OUR invasions are always "necessary military actions," of course. One might even call them Special Military Operations.

Not completely. That would imply perfection and I am far from that. Well, not too far, actually, but I do have my flaws

[dawg80]

Last night the Ukrans landed commandos on Crimea, they knocked out a Russian AA battery and a radar station, inflicted some casualties and all returned safely by boat.

Putin suffers losses all day, every day. For example, two ammo dumps just suddenly exploded, one in occupied eastern Ukraine and the other across the border in Russia. No one has taken credit for this, but it is supposed that it was anti-Putin Russian Freedom Fighters, who have become more active again recently after laying low for some months after their attack on Belgorod. Whoever is responsible, good show!

Reminds me of this scene from The Patriot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO9QR5oN5is

[Blue Dawg]

Just watched a video by a retired army veteran who says he knows about AA missiles, and he says the damage to the plane is very consistent with an AA missile attack. Here's his reasoning...

the plane's fuselage was completely intact, meaning an internal explosion, a bomb, is unlikely.
the plane lost a wing, which is clear to see in the video of it spiraling towards the ground, again the type of damage a missile would do
and finally, video of the wreckage, that which didn't burn up, clearly shows shrapnel holes, again consistent with the way an AA missile works, as it explodes near the target sending shrapnel ripping thru the aircraft.

Does all of this mean it was a missile attack? No, but the evidence points in that direction.

Next, many pundits are scratching their heads pondering WHY, if true, would Putin order such an assassination of Prigozhin. It doesn't make sense. First, Priggy was leaving Russia, probably never to return on a permanent basis anyway. If Putin wanted ole Prig out of the way, politically, well that was happening. Secondly, if Putin wanted to assassinate Priggy then a much better way would have been to wait until he was in Africa, close to some combat, and have him shot by a hired sniper or something. Would have been a whole lot less scrutiny on Putin's involvement in this.

Now, while the pundits scratch their heads wondering, here's the answer to that question as to WHY? Putin is nuts!

It's certainly possible either way. The person I was reading contra AA pointed out other examples of AA hits which were completely different.

I did see a few people suggesting it wasn't Putin at all, but a CIA hit. Not sure what the value of that would be. Putin said he would do it, then it happened. Seems open and shut to me, only question is mechanism which is really more of a curiosity.

[dawg80]

The very latest on Priggy's assassination...US officials have removed the possibility of an AA missile strike, saying there was nothing that appeared on satellite imagery, no missile tracking. The theory now is, given the loss of the wing and no damage to the fuselage, is a bomb had been placed in the landing gear wheel well under the wing. That could have been done during routine refueling/maintenance of the jet just prior to takeoff. Well, there was damage to the fuselage as it was peppered with holes from shrapnel, but it was intact, so the bomb was not placed in the plane or in the luggage compartment.

And this is unconfirmed by reliable sources, but the rumors (news) is too good not to mention. The body of Dmitry Utkin, the true founder of the group, killed in the plane crash, was identified by his tattoos, one of which is the Wanton SS emblem, and another a swastika. Oh my!

[dawg80]

US officials report that the Ukrans have punched a hole in one of the Russian main defense lines, but didn't say where. The main lines, as identified, are constructed from reinforced concrete, defended by rows and rows of "dragon teeth," minefields, trenches, pillboxes, and supported by batteries of artillery. There are miles and miles of such main defense lines, some having another line behind them, and they cover pretty much the whole 900-mile front. So, will have to see more details and especially the exact location of the breakthrough.

In more news, Putin has ordered the complete destruction of Wagner cemeteries. In one released video, workers are seen lifting crosses and head markers and stacking them off to the side. So far, the graves themselves, the bodies, have not been moved, and a large concrete monument dedicated to the bravery of Wagner soldiers also still stands, for now. This is occurring in a town in Russia very near the border with Ukraine. There are at least 15 such Wagner cemeteries, in eastern Ukraine and in Russia itself. The YouTuber claims he has heard from other areas where the removal of markers is taking place. Will Putin also move the bodies, or just remove all traces and leave the bodies in unmarked graves?

There are a lot of Russian citizens who held Prigozhin and Wagner in high esteem. There is a growing movement of folks disgusted with Putin and most blame him for Priggy's death.

[dawg80]

The breakthrough the main Russian defenses occurred south of Robotyne.

The wing of Priggy's plane, the one that was off as the rest of the plane spiraled to the ground, was found about 5 miles from the crash site in a forested area. The wing is mostly intact and!!! the landing gear is fully extended (lowered) and undamaged. The whole landing gear assembly is undamaged and the whole wing itself shows very little damage, considering it fell into trees from 28,000 feet. This rules out the theory of a bomb going off in the wheel well. There are no signs of that. From viewing the video of the wing as it sits upside down, the landing gear sticking straight up, it appears that maybe the wing just came off. If that is true then it points to either sabotage or very, very poor maintenance. What is doesn't explain is the smoke pouring out of the plane as it spiraled down. Another rumor says a bomb was placed aboard in a wine crate.

[dawg80]

The Russian 205th Rifle Brigade has been abandoned to their fate in the Kherson region, trapped on an island in the Dniper River. Other Russian commanders asked to be allowed to try to break thru Ukrainian forces to rescue the brigade but were denied. Requests for artillery support for the 205th have been denied. Finally, one company commander stormed into division HQ yelling that something has to be done and he was arrested and sent to a mental institution for evaluation. His company, over 100 soldiers, tried to interfere in his arrest, now they have all been disarmed and confined to barracks pending an investigation. Officials of the Russian army operating in the region released a statement that there is no 205th Brigade, period. It is not trapped because it does not exist. Ukran sources say, well, whether it is the 205th or not, there are Russians dug in on the island who continue to hold out and resist. What a mess!

The 3rd Assault Brigade, the Azov Brigade, seized a wooded hill and then utterly destroyed a Russian counter-attack, including 3 tanks, 4 APCs, and a platoon of infantry on foot. An Azov officer said, they are rank amateurs, they just came straight at us across an open field; we slaughtered them.

Incredible bodycam video released by the Ukrans, all shot in the Bakhmut area, the intense fighting in the wooded hills. One clip shows a Ukran soldier lucky to be alive, his body armor and a pack they carry on the front ripped to shreds by bullets fired at him by a Russian machinegun. He is leaning against the bank in the trench and his buddies come by offering encouragement, slapping him on the shoulder saying he's going to be fine. One hands him a lit cigarette and his hand is trembling so much he can't even bring it up to his lips. The look on his face coveys the utter reality that he dodged death and is lucky to do it.

The rest of the bodycam video released is brutal. Ukran soldiers gain a trench and charge down it with a machinegun blazing away and the Russians don't even realize it until it is too late. It smacks of murder. Reports by observers say Putin is sending in raw recruits with a minimum of training, certainly no combat experience since none of them survive first contact with the Ukrainians. There are no officers or NCOs either with some experience who might give these poor saps a fighting chance. Now, there are experienced Russian units mixed in in the area. The Russian elite 331st Paratrooper Regiment is known to be in the Bakhmut area, for instance. The Ukrans have to advance slowly and cautiously since they never know if the next trench is being held by elite troops. The 331st is part of a paratrooper brigade, part of which was driven off a hill last week by the Azov Brigade. The fighting was intense, and the Russians withdrew in good order inflicting casualties on the attacking Ukrans.

The Belgians just released a report stating the casualty rate favors the Ukrans at 8-1. That is consistent with the recent report released by other NATO sources that the Ukrans have suffered 70,000 casualties to Russia's 500,000+ since the war began 18 months ago.