Weaklings weigh down WAC

[johnnylightnin]

1You wanna talk about La-techs record since they joined the WAC allright.
La-tech is 30-40 since joining the WAC and you guys only won it once in 2001.
Hawaii has shared it twice.
2001 7-5 WAC champs but got blown out by Clemson at the Boise bowl.
2002 4-8
2003 5-7
2004 6-6
2005 7-4 but still no bowl game.
2006 3-10
1 season no...no...no, you guys had 2 winning season's and 3 losing seasons with a decent season in 2004.
You guys wanna help the WAC try and get into a bowl game and represent your conference.

2We need the bottom of the WAC that means you guys to have good records that way when we crush you the BCS voters can look at our schedule and say hey UH beat a pretty decent team.
No...No...We blame Hermie allright but we also Blame ESPN, Karl Benson and all those BCS teams who didn't want to play us at hawaii or at their house like MIchigan who we offered 750 grand plus an ESPN game and also Oregon st., Arizona st. and Washington st. who we offered 1 million and also ESPN bid. There were so many more teams that ducked us but Hermie doesn't want to tell everybody who they are.
Since Colt Brennan has been here UH has been 5-5 on the road so far.
By the way it's called the Hawaii bowl...Oh wait you guys don't even know what a bowl game is..Sorry.

3Funny..Idaho and Utah st. yes but SJSU you are really crazy. Dick Tomey took that team to an 8-4 record plus a bowl game win.
NMSU this year looks to be the darkhoarse of the WAC with so much talent on the offense.

1. Yes. Only ONE year could we be classified as a "bottom third" team...which is the whole point of this article. Hawaii has been "co-champs" twice, but not since the Clinton administration.

2. No, you needed your do-nothing AD to do something before now. Tech won't hurt your SOS NEARLY as much as TWO FCS teams.

3. Very creative editing. You left out these words..."With regards to program strength..." So, I'm exactly right. I'm glad SJSU had a good year, but their program cannot be defined by one year...despite how much Hawaii fans wish it could.

[george]

Tulsa Pup
They forget the last time they came to Ruston they got their @$$ kicked.
Remember last year you guys got your ass kicked.

it will be hot in September, early in the season, it will be a lot of travel for Hawaii,
U know we did travel to Bama and I think it was as hot and humid their as it is in Ruston and we played a good game too and they were a lot better than you guys.

bulldog_in_baton_rouge
A "problem" that could easily be rectified by a more robust OOC schedule - give me a break - they are whinning already.
You guys are one of the teams bringing down the WAC. U wanna help actually go to a bowl game once in a while for once.

johnnylightnin
The first mistake you make in your article is using one year to characterize a program. In 2005, Louisiana Tech was 7-4 (inlcuding a thumping of a Colt Brennan led Hawaii in Ruston). In 2004, Louisiana Tech was 6-6 while playing Miami, Auburn, and Tennessee. In 2003 and 2004, Tech lost VERY close games to Hawaii (on on the island and one in Ruston). In 2004 and 2005, Tech beat a ranked Fresno team that was favored to win the conference in both seasons. I don't know what you consider "figuring into the equation at the top of the WAC standings", but it seems to me that the 2004 and 2005 Tech teams certianly did that.
You wanna talk about La-techs record since they joined the WAC allright.
La-tech is 30-40 since joining the WAC and you guys only won it once in 2001.
Hawaii has shared it twice.
2001 7-5 WAC champs but got blown out by Clemson at the Boise bowl.
2002 4-8
2003 5-7
2004 6-6
2005 7-4 but still no bowl game.
2006 3-10
1 season no...no...no, you guys had 2 winning season's and 3 losing seasons with a decent season in 2004.
You guys wanna help the WAC try and get into a bowl game and represent your conference.

Your second mistake is blaming the "WAC Weaklings" for Hawaii's SOS. With two FCS schools on the schedule, Hawaii fans have to look no further than Herman Frazier when looking for someone to blame for Hawaii's SOS. Further, if Hawaii (a program that has consistently shown an inability to play well off of the island) does not go undefeated, they'll be back in the Hula bowl again. You seem to be counting your chickens before they've hatched.

We need the bottom of the WAC that means you guys to have good records that way when we crush you the BCS voters can look at our schedule and say hey UH beat a pretty decent team.
No...No...We blame Hermie allright but we also Blame ESPN, Karl Benson and all those BCS teams who didn't want to play us at hawaii or at their house like MIchigan who we offered 750 grand plus an ESPN game and also Oregon st., Arizona st. and Washington st. who we offered 1 million and also ESPN bid. There were so many more teams that ducked us but Hermie doesn't want to tell everybody who they are.
Since Colt Brennan has been here UH has been 5-5 on the road so far.
By the way it's called the Hawaii bowl...Oh wait you guys don't even know what a bowl game is..Sorry.

Louisiana Tech would certinaly rank ahead of Idaho, USU, SJSU, and NMSU.
Funny..Idaho and Utah st. yes but SJSU you are really crazy. Dick Tomey took that team to an 8-4 record plus a bowl game win.
NMSU this year looks to be the darkhoarse of the WAC with so much talent on the offense.

Dawgmatic
Bless your petty little heart. Do you hear anybody in the SEC whine because Vanderbilt or Mississippi State are dragging them down and keeping them out of the BCS? Is USC wailing because Stanford is holding the PAC-10 back? Is Texas weeping salty hot tears over the lack of success at Baylor and Iowa State? Do you hear any team in other conferences crying over teams in their conference keeping them from the BCS? No, my friend, you do not. Nor, should we hear it in the WAC. Did any team in the WAC keep Boise from a BCS bowl last year?
The reason why they don't complain is because they allways have good schedules made in advance and plus..THERE IN BCS CONF. SO THERE PRETTY MUCH SET ON SCHEDULES EVERY YEAR.
Dave Readon said those things because Dumbass Herman Fraizer and Karl Benson and ESPN and those teams that ducked us couldn't get a decent schedule for us this year.
Hermie deserves most of the blame. He had 2 years to fill 3 spots in 07.
By Jan. of 07 MSU pulled out who told us that they were going to high in advance finally gave us our money and got out of our schedule.PROMBLEM the idiot Fraizer still haden't signed any teams left so that left us with 4 holes to fill.
Genious of him keeps saying chit like I could fill the schedule by tomorrow or he has BCS teams in his back pocket. He got one great IS THAT IT?
Numbnuts asked ESPN to help and Benson...Didn't help at all.
Ask a bunch of BCS teams they said no. The only team that told us they wanted to play us and we could were Louiville and dumbass fraizer said no..WHAT AN IDIOT!!
So with 3 spots left and spring practice started allready what does he do offer 450 grand to a school called N. Colorado who was the worst 1aa team last year and a school from the east called charleston southern...WTH IS C. SOUTHERN.
As for Boise's run last year they had 1 1aa team to play and plus they HELLO. They started the season in the top 25 and they beat a good OSU club that beat USC.
Plus with the New BCS rules a undefeated BSU would've made it either way.

I would also like to ask you when you last visited Ruston, Louisiana? Have you ever been to Ruston? Have you ever even left your little island?
Little huh...I bet most of America doesn't even know Ruston Exists.

LongtimeDawgfan
WAC conference standings for Tech and Hawaii since Tech joined the conference
2001 - Tech 1st Hawaii 4th
2002 - Tech 7th Hawaii 2nd
2003 - Tech 7th Hawaii 4th
2004 - Tech 3rd Hawaii 4th
2005 - Tech 3rd Hawaii 4th
2006 - Tech 8th Hawaii 2nd
I would hardly call us a consistant weakling of the WAC.
LTDF

Let's look at the overall record and Bowl games which REALLY count for respect in the WAC.
2001 7-5 WAC champs but got blown out by Clemson at the Boise bowl.
9-3 record plus a win over #8 BYU.
2002 4-8
10-4 finished 2nd in the WAC.
2003 5-7
9-5 Went to a Bowl game won that and beat Alabama.
2004 6-6
Beat Nwestern and Michigan st. and won our Bowl game again.
2005 7-4 but still no bowl game.
5-7
2006 3-10
11-3 beating Purdue and Arizona st. and scaring the hell out of Boise and Alabama fans along the way too.
you guys are 30-40 since joining the WAC in 2001.
We are 52-27...


ANYWAY GOODLUCK THIS SEASON!!:icon_wink:

first of all, how long did this take you to figure out? you really should get out more and enjoy the islands. and, as has already been posted, you got some of your facts wrong anyway. secondly, hawaii has had the sweetrst bowl deal in the history of college football (up until last year i think the rule was finally changed). if you guys were just bowl eligible it got you in as host of the hawaii bowl, so of course you went to that bowl a lot.
you had a good year last year and it looks like you're set to have another one this coming year. your fans and your teams should try to show a little class (for a change), like boise state does.

[johnnylightnin]

first of all, how long did this take you to figure out? you really should get out more and enjoy the islands. and, as has already been posted, you got some of your facts wrong anyway. secondly, hawaii has had the sweetrst bowl deal in the history of college football (up until last year i think the rule was finally changed). if you guys were just bowl eligible it got you in as host of the hawaii bowl, so of course you went to that bowl a lot.
you had a good year last year and it looks like you're set to have another one this coming year. your fans and your teams should try to show a little class (for a change), like boise state does.

Former ASH baseball coach Don Boniol had a great saying that applies very well to some of our UH visitors...

"Act like you've been there."

[GatorDawg]

This "tough" Alabama team Hawaii played pretty close last year. Didn't they fire their coach after the season? You speak of playing a team close but from a team that has beaten Alabama as SEC champs, 25-17 doesn't cut it. All you Hawaii fans want to talk trash but plain and simple is we beat you last time you came into Ruston.

[Bigdog13]

We played like hammered crap last year and we deserve everything we are getting. Dooley will have us turned around and this will turn and we will be cramming the ball down Hawaii's throats before long. For now though, we have to eat the crow we are being served.

I don't have a problem with Hawaii fans or other WAC fans wanting more from us. If we were in their shoes or Boise or Fresno's shoes we would probaby be doing the same. My problem with Hawaii is why don't you wait before you play 1 damn game before you start bitching about who is or isn't keeping you out of the BCS. Maybe just maybe you should go undefeated and see where you end up before you bitch about which bowl you are in. Sounds like you've already packed your bags and bought your ticket to the BCS game. Then again if we had a weak a$$ schedule like yours I might be confident as well.

Oh and BTW UHFan, how many people were bitching about SJSU before last season?? How many were bitching after?? It's best to keep your mouth shut and let your play do the talking. Pre-season polls and forecasts don't mean squat. San Jose and others have proven that time and time again.

[Buck Magnum]

I wouldn't worry about what anybody in Hawaii says. I would focus on the task at hand. Last year was not one that Tech is going to remember fondly. But things are pointed in the right direction. Tech fans everywhere should be excited about it prospects.

[xer 21]

You beat us the last time in Ruston. but you had a better team then. this year, your team is much weaker than that team and our team is much stronger. so you beat us the last time in ruston. so what, it doesnt matter because this year, we Will win. end of story.

[GatorDawg]

You beat us the last time in Ruston. but you had a better team then. this year, your team is much weaker than that team and our team is much stronger. so you beat us the last time in ruston. so what, it doesnt matter because this year, we Will win. end of story.

No we actually didn't have a better team talent wise. We had an experienced team when we beat you last time. Look at how many new starters and backups we had to bring in last season.

[oledawg66]

You beat us the last time in Ruston. but you had a better team then. this year, your team is much weaker than that team and our team is much stronger. so you beat us the last time in ruston. so what, it doesnt matter because this year, we Will win. end of story.

End of story will be about 10:00 pm Sept 8th. You should be favored but we will see what happens on the field.

[theprofessor]

what i don't understand about this whole argument -- the "bottom third" of the wac needs to get better -- is won't there always be a bottom third? if a conference plays against one another, there are going to be teams that lose games and teams that win games. i guess, theoretically, we can all be "middle of the pack" if we all beat up on one another. but, if we have a boise like last year or a potential 1-2 punch of boise and hawaii this year, there are going to be teams on the opposite end of the spectrum. it doesn't matter if it's tech, nmsu, san jose, idaho, doesn't matter. there are going to be teams that go 1-7, 2-6, 3-5 in conference play. it's just natural. those teams aren't going to bring hawaii's strength of schedule down, because if we win more guys and nmsu wins more games and idaho wins more games, somebody in the wac has to be losing to those teams! no, pure and simple, hawaii should have done a better job of scheduling the games it could control!

[Dawgmatic]

what i don't understand about this whole argument -- the "bottom third" of the wac needs to get better -- won't there always be a bottom third? if a conference plays against one another, there are going to be teams that lose games and teams that win games. i guess, theoretically, we can all be "middle of the pack" if we all beat up on one another. but, if we have a boise like last year or a potential 1-2 punch of boise and hawaii this year, there are going to be teams on the opposite end of the spectrum. it doesn't matter if it's tech, nmsu, san jose, idaho, doesn't matter. there are going to be teams that go 1-7, 2-6, 3-5 in conference play. it's just natural. those teams aren't going to bring hawaii's strength of schedule down, because if we win more guys and nmsu wins more games and idaho wins more games, somebody in the wac has to be losing to those teams! no, pure and simple, hawaii should have done a better job of scheduling the games it could control!

Yessir, there sure will be. And I don't think I have EVER heard this brought up before...and as far as I know there is always a bottom three to every conference each and every year. They love it that we were in the bottom three last year - they are pooping poi thinking about having to come over here and it cheers them up to say it. Well, live it up boys, y'all can bitch about somebody else dragging poor Hawaii down after this year. Cause it won't be my Dawgs!!!

Go Dawgs!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tbone1]

You can still be competitive in your out of conference games....that is...unless you sell out the program for money games like we have done lately.

But I digress.

[SundayJam]

what i don't understand about this whole argument -- the "bottom third" of the wac needs to get better

Yessir, there sure will be. And I don't think I have EVER heard this brought up before...and as far as I know there is always a bottom three to every conference each and every year. They love it that we were in the bottom three last year - they are pooping poi thinking about having to come over here and it cheers them up to say it. Well, live it up boys, y'all can bitch about somebody else dragging poor Hawaii down after this year. Cause it won't be my Dawgs!!!

Go Dawgs!!!!!!!!!!!

The heat and humidity really do affect the mind down there. Thank god we only have to spend a little time rustic Ruston.

The Pac 10 only has one weak team, Stanford. Arizona and Washington were 6-6 and 5 - 7 respectively.

The bottom feeders can do a few things to improve their national rank:

1. They can win SOME of their conference games.

2. They can win ALL of their out-of-conference games.

3. They can post a 50% win/loss record, and then win a bowl game.

Heck, the bottom half of the WAC barely won a 1/3 of their games last year. La Tech couldn't even win 25% of its games.

[Dawgmatic]

The heat and humidity really do affect the mind down there. Thank god we only have to spend a little time rustic Ruston.

Ê, `ê, `ê! Hele pêlâ!

(translation: yeah, yeah, yeah. Go away.)

[Bigdog13]

The heat and humidity really do affect the mind down there. Thank god we only have to spend a little time rustic Ruston.

The Pac 10 only has one weak team, Stanford. Arizona and Washington were 6-6 and 5 - 7 respectively.

The bottom feeders can do a few things to improve their national rank:

1. They can win SOME of their conference games.

2. They can win ALL of their out-of-conference games.

3. They can post a 50% win/loss record, and then win a bowl game.

Heck, the bottom half of the WAC barely won a 1/3 of their games last year. La Tech couldn't even win 25% of its games.

Our point with the writer though was he painted it as if we were a bottom third team every year when in fact we have a winning record against the WAC during our time here. If we were consistently in the bottom third he would have a much better arguement but while I agree we tanked last year,it was only the year before that we were bowl eligible and fighting for a conference title while knocking off a top-25 ranked Fresno in Fresno on national television. (for the second year in a row)

I'm not getting into the whole Hawaii vs. Tech deal here just saying that writer is lumping us in where he shouldn't. It was one year. Hawaii has a great team and you have a lot to be proud of but like I said in an earlier post Hawaii needs to worry about winning the games on it's schedule and let the chips fall where they may before they start whining about someone bringing down their SOS. Let's actually play a few games before we start bitching Hawaii fans. For now if you want to bitch, I've got someone you can bitch at ........your AD!

BTW I think you should remember a few years ago a certain BYU team was bitching about their bowl situation a little prematurely. You of all people should remember what happened to them.