Did y'all see...

[boxerdog]

I'll admit that I emotionally reacted to my first viewing of the video. There's something about seeing that girl helplessly lying on the floor in a puddle of her own blood (while coughing up more blood) that broke my heart. I was further provoked by the officer's seeming indifference and lack of compassion. I mean, if she fell and hurt herself, I would think he'd immediately attend to her and urgently call for assistance--not, walk back over to the camera and turn it back on. His reaction to the situation combined with his roughness earlier on makes me believe he slammed her against the wall and threw her to the ground. I respect the law and I have friends who are police officers, but that guy really pissed me off.

[linds_Marie]

ok let me throw this out there.. IF this officer did something he was not supposed to do.. and he knew it.. thus.. saying that the theory of him turning off the camera to handle the issue in an improper way was in deed what happend.. WHY turn the camera back on. Its been said that when he turned off the camera.. he was following protocol... so why turn it BACK on. If he felt the need to hide what happend I would think he wouldnt bother with the camera.. he would instead "tend to the women".(help her off the floor.. do whatever he needed to to apear busy.. and unable to turn on that camera which provides incriminating evidence. ) try to do other things to "cover" his actions... TO me more then anything that shows he wasnt at fault.. He turned on the camera to document her injuries.. to document what had just taken place.

As for the phone call that maybe he should have allowed her to make to get her to shut up.. the whole time she was TRYING to intemidate him.. name dropping.. I'm sure at that point he felt he deinfitly needed to follow protocol. If he was irritated with her and "lost his temper" I would think his best action toward her would be to follow protocol to the "T" and not let her get away with anything.. I think that was his intention that night. That was his defense against the bimbo who "knew people" is following procedure.

[DocMarvin362]

I also think the cop was stupid to turn the camera off.

I just got back from a SPD Police supervisor training class this week. This wasn't his desicion. It is a (very bad) procedure that as soon as they refuse to take the breathilizer test, that the camera's be turned off. They will most likely change this very soon. PROCEDURE to Police is an order and must be followed... there is no grey area.

Also, there should have been a Supervisor and a 2nd Officer on the other side of that door as well. If there was another DWI suspect in the other room, then at least 3 officers, and the supervisor.

I have been in that outer room with people that act A LOT worse than her. These guys see the scum of the earth on a daily/nightly basis.

[boxerdog]

ok let me throw this out there.. IF this officer did something he was not supposed to do.. and he knew it.. thus.. saying that the theory of him turning off the camera to handle the issue in an improper way was in deed what happend.. WHY turn the camera back on. Its been said that when he turned off the camera.. he was following protocol... so why turn it BACK on. If he felt the need to hide what happend I would think he wouldnt bother with the camera.. he would instead "tend to the women".(help her off the floor.. do whatever he needed to to apear busy.. and unable to turn on that camera which provides incriminating evidence. ) try to do other things to "cover" his actions... TO me more then anything that shows he wasnt at fault.. He turned on the camera to document her injuries.. to document what had just taken place.

As for the phone call that maybe he should have allowed her to make to get her to shut up.. the whole time she was TRYING to intemidate him.. name dropping.. I'm sure at that point he felt he deinfitly needed to follow protocol. If he was irritated with her and "lost his temper" I would think his best action toward her would be to follow protocol to the "T" and not let her get away with anything.. I think that was his intention that night. That was his defense against the bimbo who "knew people" is following procedure.

Drunk people act belligerent and drop names--they all do that. Police officers are trained to handle drunk people without becoming agitated. That's part of the job.

I think his intent in turning the video back on was just as you said--to document. Sometimes, this sort of "documenting" is used as a crafty way to cover actions (as if one has nothing to hide). The guy is not stupid. To me, his behavior after the camera is turned back on is very strange: he does a pseudo-assessment of her injuries, he walks over to her feet and stands in attention. It's weird! You'd think he might be compelled to comfort her.

[Dirtydawg]

Drunk people act belligerent and drop names--they all do that. Police officers are trained to handle drunk people without becoming agitated. That's part of the job.

I think his intent in turning the video back on was just as you said--to document. Sometimes, this sort of "documenting" is used as a crafty way to cover actions (as if one has nothing to hide). The guy is not stupid. To me, his behavior after the camera is turned back on is very strange: he does a pseudo-assessment of her injuries, he walks over to her feet and stands in attention. It's weird! You'd think he might be compelled to comfort her.

You would think so, and I initially thought so, until I thought about what all possibly happened that night and the fact that I don't really know how much stress he was under. He may have been trying to assess the situation and the degree of her injuries. You can't do that if you are cuddling and comforting the person. He is trained to assess injuries in this situation-not hold hands.

[boxerdog]

You would think so, and I initially thought so, until I thought about what all possibly happened that night and the fact that I don't really know how much stress he was under. He may have been trying to assess the situation and the degree of her injuries. You can't do that if you are cuddling and comforting the person. He is trained to assess injuries in this situation-not hold hands.

I'm an expert on police procedure because I watch alot of "Cops" (my favorite show). Anyway, it's entirely appropriate for an officer to comfort someone who has injured himself.

All of us bring our personal issues into our work environment and social interactions. Unfortunately, police work is one of those situations where personal issues or stress might have a dire impact upon job performance.

[Reckless Abandon]

The beginning of the video shows the officer's hands on a handcuffed woman, and the woman's face made contact with the wall twice. The camera is turned off then turned back on showing a handcuffed woman bleeding profusely. What a jury is going to see is that the initial collisions with the wall didn't have the effect that the officer desired, so he had to hide the methods he was going to use to achieve that desired effect. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm saying that's what the jury will see. The only chance the officer had was if the video camera was not turned off and subsequently was able to prove his innocence. The policy of turning off the camera at any time a suspect is in the room is a poor policy. Without the tape showing her accidentally falling on the floor, lady is a multi-millionare, and the officer is facing serious federal charges. I pray for him and his family. He was trying to do his job.

When she walked into the room, her hands weren't cuffed. She was actually holding a tissue up to her mouth i guess because it was cut from the wreck. The first time she hit the wall was when the officer was trying to handcuff her. She was trying to resist and that, combined with the officer trying to move her to the chair, resulted in her falling down. If, like docmarvin says, it is protocol to turn the camera off after refusal of the breathalizer, then that explains why he turned it off. THAT was the sketchy part for me until I heard it was protocol.

[Dirtydawg]

I'm an expert on police procedure because I watch alot of "Cops" (my favorite show). Anyway, it's entirely appropriate for an officer to comfort someone who has injured himself.

All of us bring our personal issues into our work environment and social interactions. Unfortunately, police work is one of those situations where personal issues or stress might have a dire impact upon job performance.

I didn't say it wasn't appropriate to comfort her. I was saying that he wasn't trained for that. In this stressful situation, he probably resorted to his training which was assessing that there were no life threatening injuries. Besides, any comfort he might have given her might have resulted in her getting her blood on him which would strengthen her case. After he made sure there were no marks on his hand, he sure wasn't going to make the mistake of letting her get blood on him.

[CARTEK]

Once she refuses to blow, she has essentially invoked her right to counsel...I suspect the camera is turned off because they don't want any fruit of the poison tree laying around!

[boxerdog]

We need to remember that this guy was fired for breaking procedure. Most accused officers are placed on leave, but this one was terminated.

[CARTEK]

You also have to consider the "brain trust" running the Town of Shreveport!

[saltydawg]

The beginning of the video shows the officer's hands on a handcuffed woman, and the woman's face made contact with the wall twice. The camera is turned off then turned back on showing a handcuffed woman bleeding profusely. What a jury is going to see is that the initial collisions with the wall didn't have the effect that the officer desired, so he had to hide the methods he was going to use to achieve that desired effect. I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm saying that's what the jury will see. The only chance the officer had was if the video camera was not turned off and subsequently was able to prove his innocence. The policy of turning off the camera at any time a suspect is in the room is a poor policy. Without the tape showing her accidentally falling on the floor, lady is a multi-millionare, and the officer is facing serious federal charges. I pray for him and his family. He was trying to do his job.

Don't think she will be a multi-millionaire with a Shreveport jury. She wasn't in that room for jay walking. She would probably be tickled pink with 50 grand IF she has a good case.

[DONW]

Former Arkansas and Dallas QB,Clint Stoerner, refused to take the breath test in Fayetteville one night about 2 months ago, when he was very drunk and driving his vehicle all over the road. He got community service and he didn't get beat up.

[boxerdog]

You also have to consider the "brain trust" running the Town of Shreveport!

Captain Whitehorn is a very well-respected veteran of law enforcement. Cedric Glover is certainly qualified to be the mayor of Shreveport. In fact, I think he's one of better elected officials we've had in a while.

[CARTEK]

Captain Whitehorn is a very well-respected veteran of law enforcement. Cedric Glover is certainly qualified to be the mayor of Shreveport. In fact, I think he's one of better elected officials we've had in a while.

You've been livin' in River City too long! Cedric has never had a job, and Whitehorn is an amateur clowning as a professional...I'm familiar with both of them.