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That is not what I am saying. I am just saying we have 32% less "3 and outs" per game this year after you agreed with Chris29 that we have "constant 3 and outs". There are many arguments that are to be made about why our passing game is no good, but it seems like people just want to throw a claim against a wall and hope it sticks.Originally Posted by LookingForResults
If our first five games, we had played MSU, Kansas, and Boise.
Numbers without context can be made to say whatever you'd like them to.
We're not getting it done on O this year (we didn't get it done on O last year either, so I'm not quite sure why last years numbers mean anything).
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
The 2008 full year rate was the same as the first 5 game rate.
Jenkins has shown to be very good at the short routes and swing passes, he has also thrown some pretty good midrange balls. To the point, however, he has not shown that he can: throw under pressure, throw on the run, or throw accurate deep balls. Those weaknesses were glaring in the Nevada game. If he can show that he can do either of those three against NMSU--fine. My thing is, I want to see SOMEBODY throw the dang ball downfield! Our receivers our open--just get them the flippin' ball!
Thank you. I just got too weary to set that forth to Zharkins.
Is that what we have come too? Talking about fewest interceptions per attempt? Good lord with all the short routes we run it should be better then that. The point is we are 2-3, we are struggling, and Ross simply isn't performing. Try someone new and see if we can get a spark going on offense. He can't stretch the field at all. And I'm not sure it can get any worse, but it could a get a LOT better. He looks like a freaking JV quarterback out there.
Meanwhile we've played Auburn, Navy, and Nevada in our first 5 this year...
The numbers don't mean anything. Just a little splash of reality. Most people feel that Ross has gotten worse when he really hasn't. Just hasn't shown as big of an increase as we were hoping for.
Don't let him bait you into a response JL. It's no use.
What is that supposed to mean? Honestly I don't see why so many of you are getting your panties in a wad about the stuff I said. I haven't disagreed with anyone except HD in his point that throwing for 800 yards in 5 games is terrible. Everyone else thought I was implying either Ross is a great QB or that I think he is anywhere as good as Tebow.
Ross last year is slightly better than Ross this year. Difference is instead of getting a win against MSU we lost to Auburn.
I think there are a few more differences. For whatever reason, this O needs Ross to play a bigger role. I don't know if its that DCs have more to gameplan on or what, but we need more production out of the QB if our run game is going to carry us like it did last year. The schedule is tougher...we've still got Boise and LSU and a decent Fresno to play.
I really don't think you and I are that far apart in our thinking. The biggest difference is that you trust the coaches decision to stick with Ross instead of giving the other guys a shot in the game. Personally, I don't see that there will be a huge production drop off with the other guys, so, talent being equal (which I don't necessarily think is the case), I'd play the younger guy.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
And the most sickening part of it is that our coaches practically refused to call the types of passes that he CAN make.
I agree. Our gameplan has not fit our personnel in any of our losses. In the wins, the other team was just too weak to make our gameplan matter.And the most sickening part of it is that our coaches practically refused to call the types of passes that he CAN make.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
It's just that this last year, this year stuff is irrelevent. We were very fortunate last year the way things fell into place and while Jenkins was better than the GT transfer he was not the reason for the success. Last year was the result of a few timely special teams plays, good team leadership by two graduated seniors and failure by our conference opponents to recognize our complete lack of a vertcal passing game. Our QB was bad then (just not as bad as his predesessor) and he is bad now. We wouldn't have won with him over the course of entire season last year, just as now. I understand he's likable and I'm confident that he'll have a full and happy adult life. He just has no talent as a QB!
Nevada had the worst pass defense in the nation last season. They have a good offense, but there's no excuse for not putting up points against their defense. Had Livas not returned the opening kick to the 15, and Porter not broken 50+ yard run, we probably get shut out by a defense that is mediocre at best.
Zach,
What are the numbers for home versus away and wins versus losses? I think that tells the tale better. Take out Hawaii and Nicholls St.; what does it look like. I expect that he will be decent today because we are at home against a lesser opponent. Jenkins can't win us a game once we are down. That is going to hold us back against above average oppenents.
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