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There is no kool-aid Don, just dollars and cents. Producing like Arkansas has produced in the SEC would earn them FAR less money in the Big 12. The big 12 doesn't have equitable sharing, while the SEC does. The SEC is second only to the Big 10 in terms of generating revenue for their member institutions. That's not kool-aid, that's a fact. Sure, Texas doesn't need the SEC to rake in the Big Bucks, but Arkansas is no Texas.Originally Posted by DONW
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
I don't know why this is so hard for you to get Don. Recruiting is great but its not worth giving up the money for. I don't think it is a slam dunk that Texas would leave for the SEC but it is definately not a slam dunk that Arkansas leaves for the Big 12.
Arkansas doesn't need the money. They have the best athletic facilities in the country. I remember going to the state high school indoor track meet when my son was in high school back around 1995 that was held in the UAF indoor faciliy which was a world class facility at the time. About 5 years later they built a new one. The last expansion on their football stadium took it from 52,000 to 72,000 at a cost of 120 million. Their baseball park is on the same level as the Travelers park that we played in this past tuesday and seats 8,000. None of their facilities need updating because they're not that old, but, they're going to build a new fieldhoue just because they can. None of the schools in the Big 6 conferences lack for anything in athletics. So, why does everybody keep saying these schools need more money. If you have all the money you need and you have a chance to be in an equal conference that gives you a better chance of winning a championship, you make the move.
Actually I hope they stay in the SEC and they keep the openings in the Big 12. That gives us something to shoot for.
Check Ark football budget to Michigan's, Texas or Ohio State's and then throw in alittle thing called Title IX
Everyone needs the extra money....
''Don't be a bad dagh..."
I don't recall anyone saying they "need" more money. The contention is that there is more money to be had in the SEC. College athletics is a business...the more you make, the better off you are. They know this all too well at UA.
No way they leave the SEC for the Big 12 (minus Mizzou and Nebraska...at least).
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
Have you been on their campus and seen their facilities?
Yep...
But when you are talking about going from $17 or $20 million to $40 million in TV revenue in 5 to 7 years, current facilities don't mean much in the grans scheme of things
And THAT's what expansion means to the Big10 & SEC
''Don't be a bad dagh..."
A lot of you are forgetting that those Texas recruiting ties meant a Top-5 MBB program and a Top-10 Football program. Now that might not have translated into a lot of $$$ back then but it would result in mega-bucks now. On top of that you can't forget that the state of Texas is an enormous alumni base for Ark. Of course there is no guarantee that they could recreate that magic but it sure as hell aint happening in the SEC now. How sad the world of college athletics has become when you would choose mediocrity and great money over championship contention and good money?? I too don't think Ark. to the Big12 is likely but I don't think it is impossible. A lot of things would need to happen first and even then the chances would be slim. If I were the President and/or AD I would seriously be considering it.
That's the thing. The money in the SEC is definitely better and with expansion, it could double. If Arkansas doesn't go into the Big 12 and establish themselves as on the same level as OU and UT, they could lose money compared to what they are getting NOW in the SEC...not to mention what they could get in an expanded SEC.
Simple cost/benefit analysis says that there's NO way Arkansas should leave the SEC.
Time is your friend. Impulse is your enemy. -John Bogle
That's only because you are looking at it from a business only perspective based on current numbers and that you can't put a number on future winning. (yes I know college athletics is a business and that is sad) What if they do recreate that magic?? I think they would. And I think that would amount to A LOT of money. I just remember when they were in the SWC and you would look at the recruiting and in MBB the top-15 players in D/FW automatically had Arkansas in their top-3 if not at the top. In football almost all the blue chippers throughout the state had them in their top-5. It was amazing. When they had the SWC tournament in Dallas they would sell out the place and it would be 60% Arkansas fans and 40% fans from the entire rest of the conference. I remember going to TCU/Arkansas games where one whole side of the stadium was pig fans. Winning breeds that kind of following. Dominance in recruiting breeds that kind if winning and that kind of winning = Big $$$$$.
Again I agree it probably won't happen, I think they will be short sighted and not give it the consideration it deserves and they will continue to be not crappy but mediocre because of that.
BD13, I think you and I are the only 2 that get it. That's okay with me as long as the Arkansas top brass don't get it either. I'd rather hear these pig fans bragging about all the money they're making with their mediocre teams than bragging about all their championships they're winning with all those Texas recruits. The Big 12 can keep that opening for Tech in about 5 more years.
Arkansas will not leave the SEC even though they could compete and recruit better in the Big 12. This is especially true if Neb., Missouri and probably Colorado leaving the north division. The money is better in the SEC and the TV contract and coverage in general is better as well. And Frank Broyles, who called the SEC shot and still has a ton of stroke at ARK., hasn't passed away yet.
And have we actually factored this in yet per some of the posts above?
Big Ten TV revenue could double with expansion
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...with-expansion
Last edited by TYLERTECHSAS; 05-16-2010 at 10:48 PM.
Isn't he also the one keeping Tech off of the Arkansas schedule? For some reason I remember after those two close calls where the refs handed them the game something about him saying he's not scheduling us anymore.
As Bigdog13 said there is no gaurantee that they could recreate the magic of the old SWC days. I agree that they would compete better with recruits from Texas and Oklahoma and the like. I also agree that Arkansas should give serious consideration to leaving for the Big 12 if the opportunity presented itself. The money of the SEC is much more certain than Texas recruits and being more competitive in the Big 12.
I also think Texas or Oklahoma or whoever should seriously consider an offer to join the SEC if presented. Not saying they should take it but I think they should seriously consider it.
It wouldn't surprise me.
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