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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGold View Post
    You have to increase your budget. You can't say getting there will increase it, you have to show your fanbase has the commitment to get you there first.
    Tech's budget has grown 104% in the past six years, a far greater rate of increase than USM's. We have a long way to go, but we're also light years ahead of where we were not long ago.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGold View Post
    Guys, I won't pretend to understand the market thing, won't even say I agree with it. But it is what it is. As long as TV tells us we need markets to maintain our TV dollars it will play a role in who we chose. It won't be the only factor, see Marshall.
    One of the things we've been trying to point out for the past few months is that Tech does have a market. Our TV numbers prove it.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    One of the things we've been trying to point out for the past few months is that Tech does have a market. Our TV numbers prove it.
    It seems like we are on national TV alot more than USM doesn't it?

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by champion110 View Post
    Increase our attendance like Tulane and SMU????????
    They are already there, non issue.

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    It is all us, instead of traveling fans from other schools.
    That was my point.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Tech's budget has grown 104% in the past six years, a far greater rate of increase than USM's. We have a long way to go, but we're also light years ahead of where we were not long ago.
    Dude we have one of the smallest budgets in FBS football and for the most part its stagnet. That will help you very little in getting where you want to be.

    I think a big concern is that Louisiana taxpayers are forced to support your program. Before you get over sensitive, I realize we collect athletic fees and you don't. But those are Southern Miss students supporting Southern Miss. We don't have LSU fans in Ocean Springs supporting Southern Miss. It sends out the message that your students don't care enough to support your program. You may not agree with that, but its an outsiders perspective.

    The 104 percent increase is great. Whats the breakdown when you look at private donations VS state gov support?

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    One of the things we've been trying to point out for the past few months is that Tech does have a market. Our TV numbers prove it.
    Thats the kind of ammno you will need.

    Where did you get those numbers from? If they include our numbers I'd be interested in a link.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGold View Post
    I think a big concern is that Louisiana taxpayers are forced to support your program. Before you get over sensitive, I realize we collect athletic fees and you don't. But those are Southern Miss students supporting Southern Miss. We don't have LSU fans in Ocean Springs supporting Southern Miss. It sends out the message that your students don't care enough to support your program. You may not agree with that, but its an outsiders perspective.
    This is one of the most misunderstood aspects of Tech's budget. Tuitition paid by our students becomes general fund dollars that is then transferred back to the university, along with additional state support. We then allocate a certain percentage of those dollars for athletics. We are using money from the general fund, but it includes tuition money as well as taxpayer money. I was under the impression USM did virtually the same thing, but then had a student fee added on, as well. Are you guys using no Mississippi taxpayer money?

    Tech could do something similar under our current system, but we would have to get permission from the state to raise the limit on transfer dollars, and then get permission from the state to raise tution. We would then transfer those dollars over. A student fee would be much simpler.

    To answer your other questions, about 75% of our growth has been in private dollars. Regarding the TV ratings, each of the conference offices has those numbers, which were given to Tech by the WAC. CUSA should have USM's numbers. Because they were as good as they were, they made our numbers public.
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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Southern Miss 2007-08
    $1,696,428 (University Subsidization/Student Tuition)
    $5,137,882 (Student Fees)

    $6,834,310 (Total)

    Louisiana Tech 2007-08

    $5,922,923 (University Subsidization/Student Tuition)
    $0 (Student Fees)

    $5,922,923 (Total)

    Tech students voted for a student-assessed athletics fee in 2004. Tech has been collecting it since then, but it counts against the general fund transfer so it is considered "university subsidization." Go Gold, the "perception" argument that "Tech students don't care so the state taxpayers have to bail out our program" was created by EagerEagle to discredit Tech to other Southern Miss and C-USA fans. The people that matter (BB, C-USA presidents, and ADs) know that is not the case.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Tech being a national tier 3 university is going to carry more weight come expansion time then most of the internet folks realize... Most university presidents number goal is still education.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGold View Post
    Thats the kind of ammno you will need.

    Where did you get those numbers from? If they include our numbers I'd be interested in a link.
    Louisiana Tech's highest rated game was the Bulldogs' Nov. 6 date against Boise State where a 1.38 share (over 1.36 million) watched LA Tech pull within two points of the nationally-ranked Broncos in the fourth quarter. LA Tech's Sept. 30 game against Hawai'i, a game in which the Bulldogs dominated in a 27-6 win, close to a million people tuned in as the game recorded a 0.99 share on ESPN2, more viewers than Major League Baseball's AL Central race being broadcasted simultaneously on ESPN. Tech's game at Nevada on Oct. 9 recorded a 0.96 share (close to 950,000 viewers). Louisiana Tech had nine of its 12 games broadcast on national television during the 2009 season with five of those broadcasts on ESPN, ESPN2 or ESPNU. Two of ESPN's national broadcasts originated from Ruston - a first for Louisiana Tech.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by okiealdawg View Post
    Tech being a national tier 3 university is going to carry more weight come expansion time then most of the internet folks realize... Most university presidents number goal is still education.
    agree.
    Most folks fail to realize that Athletic Directors don't make decisions on conference affiliation. They make recommendations. The decision maker is the University President....and in some cases the Board of Regents.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    GoGold:

    To add to what Dawg06 said about student fees - we have a fee at Tech, but it is relatively small. And the reason it's small, is because that's all the Louisiana Board of Regents would allow the school to put in front of the students in a vote. It easily passed. Our students care a great deal and always have.

    In fact, the fee could have been many times greater, and it still would have passed. The reason we were capped at a low amount by the Regents is because the smaller dollar figure barely passed a student vote at UL-Lafayette. So because the Cajun athletic department could never hope to get more from their student body, Tech had to settle for the same fee amount on our ballot.

    In the year prior to both votes, it was clear what ULL had in mind for a student fee and what Tech had in mind for a student fee were in different ballparks.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg06 View Post
    Southern Miss 2007-08
    $1,696,428 (University Subsidization/Student Tuition)
    $5,137,882 (Student Fees)
    $6,834,310 (Total)

    Louisiana Tech 2007-08
    $5,922,923 (University Subsidization/Student Tuition)
    $0 (Student Fees)
    $5,922,923 (Total)

    Tech students voted for a student-assessed athletics fee in 2004. Tech has been collecting it since then, but it counts against the general fund transfer so it is considered "university subsidization." Go Gold, the "perception" argument that "Tech students don't care so the state taxpayers have to bail out our program" was created by EagerEagle to discredit Tech to other Southern Miss and C-USA fans. The people that matter (BB, C-USA presidents, and ADs) know that is not the case.
    Thats interesting. My apologies for being misinformed.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    Quote Originally Posted by GoGold View Post
    Thats interesting. My apologies for being misinformed.

    No problem. Just remember that Eager Eagle has an agenda and distorts the figures to match said agenda.

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    Re: CUSA Expansion targets: Temple, Tech, TCU

    So, if I am understanding this correctly, our students pay their "bills", tuition, student fees, room and board, etc., but that money goes to the state then back to us as a "subsidy" from the state? All the more reason for us to contrbute to LTAC!
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