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Finally got my dream shotgun - Benelli Super Black eagle II!!!!
I have never had a shotgun that would shoot 3.5" shells so I need advice on dove shells.
And please comment on this also: Someone told me the other day that sometimes you don't want to shoot certain game with 3.5" shells? It seems like it would always be better to have more shot out there.
You don't want to shoot any game that you need your right shoulder to fielddress with 3.5's.
I have not shot it yet so I guess I didn't really think about that.
What shells for what game then?
In the spirit of full disclosure, I've only shot 3.5's out of an 870. I've got an M2 and I've literally never had trouble feeding anything from the cheapest target loads and up. Of course, it's only a 3 inch chamber.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipDog
Just got one this year myself. The 3.5's are good for ducks/geese only. Just shoot the 2 3/4's for all else. I like #7's for dove, #4 for squirrels, steel #2's and #4's for ducks, T's or B"s for geese, and 3.5- 00 Buckshot for home invaders.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChipDog
MD, I still have not shot it, but hope to this week on some clays. Will it have trouble ejecting light target loads? I always loved my old Browning Light 12 because I could just change the friction rings to suit the load, while some friends with gas-operators couldn't shoot very light loads.Quote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
I'll go out tomorrow and pick up the 3.5" - 00 Buckshot
It should handle all loads smoothly...the exception being the teeth-rattling of the 3.5 duck loads. I think I'm just gonna shoot 3 inch next season. Course I'm only 5'10" and 155 lbs so I get the worst of the recoil.:icon_wink:
I got everything from 2.75" skeet load all the way to the 3.5' teeth rattlers - I'll let you know how it goesQuote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
Alright Cartek, I guess I now own a man's gun....
http://www.taurususa.com/product-det...rumbseries=cc1
6+1 or 10+1?
10 + 1Quote:
Originally Posted by cartek
You shot it yet? I'm toying with the idea of getting a different carry gun. If I stay with 9mm, I'm gonna get the PT709 slim. If I go with a double stack, I might go with the one you got. Give us a range report!Quote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
Mine's just fine!
You mean to tell me you've got a non-1911? Is nothing sacred?Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
:icon_wink:
A 1911 won't fit in a boot or in a coat pocket...this thing will!
You should look at the para warthog.
Short stack 1911-type magazines are dangerous for those of us that have multiple 1911s...they'll slide in, but they damned sure won't feed!
Anyone ever have any experience with a Kahr Arms pistol for concealed carry? I really like the way they feel in the hand,but have not shot one.
That's interesting...didn't think about that. I know it would be less than manly, but Springfield has a 1911 model for concealed carry that's designed for a 9mm...might get rid of the feed issues (at the expense of the masculinity!).Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
I have a small Springfield 1911 but it uses a full-size magazine.
I put this on my wish list for Christmas. We'll have to see if the wife comes through.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnrizaO-X00
if someone was wanting to build an AR15, what would you recommend for an upper and lower?
I've heard rumor of an "SA-12." That is a pretty sweet piece of machinery.Quote:
Originally Posted by cowpoke1977
Just get a Rock River with a 20" SS target bull barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
Check out these reviews on these cheapo option from buds.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id=411537957
Do you just want to build it for the fun? If not, I'd get a completed rifle.
I can't believe you bought a Taurus auto! brave soul
A trade and a giftcard will have me picking this up later this week...
http://www.taurususa.com/product-det...adcrumbseries=
There's a 45ACP for the same price and weight but 1 less round!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
The "slim" is less than an inch thick! That's the selling point for me. Did you get the single or the double stack 45?Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
Let me know how it holds up. I currently don't trust Taurus autos.
Bad experience or just the hype? I've read a lot of negative opinions of the Taurus line, but everyone that I know who OWNS one loves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
I still might change my mind when I get there. I'm gonna look at the 709 and a Ruger LCR and see which one fits my pocket better.
The Ruger LCP will fit in a midget's jock strap!
But the LCR is chambered in an effective caliber.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
Unless you anticipate confrontations with weenie dogs, that is.
I had a friend that didn't like his. I read a lot of gun forums too, they have a bad rep. The wheel guns do not, but the autos do. There's a reason they're the cheapest option.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
For personal defense I want the *best* reliability on the market. The *best* comes from small wheelies, glock/xd/m&p polymer guns (for that price point), and good quality 1911s.
I have no idea why somebody would drop 1000 on a HK when they could just get a 1911. Or save money and go with the glock/xd/mp. HKs and Sigs are fine weapons, just costly.
Guns, cars, and women are personal choices but some are better than others.
Taurus is Kia. I wouldn't get a Ruger autoloader either. Nobody I know who bought one ended up liking it. Ruger makes wonderful guns in their .22 rifles, pistols, and all revolvers. S&W, springfield, glock, kahr, sig, hk, and walther all make excellent autos.
I'd even get a keltec pf9 before a taurus. Did you look at one of those?
I wouldn't even get a Kimber 1911 right now based on some recent problems. I'd get a springfield.
For example, this one stuck in my mind:
His gun turned out fine after the repair. They have many noted quality control issues. They will fix them as they come up but I wouldn't stake my life on them. And that's what we're talking about.Quote:
Yesterday was 5 wks. now that Taurus has had my 709 Slim, that would be the new one I bought that has an extractor that appears to have been gnawed on by an angry beaver (40% FTE). The service rep. said the gun is scheduled to be worked on around the middle of next week. TODAY I get an automated message from Fed Ex, I'm to expect a 10 A.M. delivery that must be signed for by a person at least 21 yrs. of age. "The 709 Slim." Not only did I get a 400$ POS,now Taurus doesn't even know what their doing after they have done it. Be going straight to the range tomorrow,taking bets on the reliability of Taurus's warranty work. Will let ya'll know about it tomorrow...
I did. They are tough to find on the market right now. I'll look at the Kahr CW9 if Academy has one in stock. It's funny, the one guy I know who has had a negative experience with a Taurus was with one of their snub nose revolvers.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
I think Taurus has a quality control problem and that's why folks either love them or hate them. Every company puts out lemons. I've read many forums where Kimbers frequently had to go back to the shop.
It's a calculated risk. My budget isn't ready for a Kahr PM9 (which is what I would like to get), so I don't have trouble getting a gun that, by all accounts, is well designed, but may have to go back to Taurus in the event that I get a lemon. I'm okay with that. The PT709 has been out for about a year and a half. Most first generation guns have issues. I'm hoping Taurus has resolved some of them with the 709. What isn't debatable is that those who have a properly functioning 709 LOVE them.
If you need something for your pocket or boot and the target is only 6 to 10 feet away, a dose of truncated 85g HPs will be adequate. If a 1911 didn't weigh 30 ounces, I'd put it in my pocket or boot!
I have 3 Springfields.
You should definantley get the semi-auto shotgunQuote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
Cartek, I figure you've got the swankier models, but what are your thoughts on the GI series of 1911's by Springfield? Too stripped down? Would a Taurus for he same price be a better buy?Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
I don't have the GI Model but have no reason to suspect it to be anything but good. I have the Loaded Long Slide, Full Size, and Ultra-Compact; all in stainless and the latter with tritium sights.
A 1911 made by damned near anyone is serviceable, and I have heard good about the Taurus 1911. It has a lot of "custom" features, and there a couple I wish my Springfield's had (e.g., beveled mag well).
I recommend the following site to all who are interested in firearms:
GunBlast
These rednecks do redneck reviews of all kinds of weapons. Kind of a poor man's Consumer Gun Digest!
Kimbers were good when they were using S&W frames. They started making their own frams and started having many QC problems. I have read plenty about the newer Kimbers and would stay away from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Anything less than a +p heavy 9mm load or +p .38spl load is not adequately effective to stop somebody reliably.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
Some people will run if you pull a weapon, some people run if you shoot them in the leg with a .22, and some might be hellbent on fighting you. Using small calibers puts the decision in the hands of the criminal as to whether the fight will continue.
You can fit small 9mm or .38s in your pocket. If you are a very small person I suggest taking the weapon clothes shopping to make sure there's room. I think everybody (who is serious about stopping somebody) should make the sacrifice to dress up to 9mm or .38.
A lot of people die frome .380 wounds......2 hours later in the hospital.
The Ruger LCP is a sweet little pistol though:D
Jeff Quinn actually responds in the "ask Jeff" section too! Said he really likes both the Kel Tec PF9 and the Taurus Slim, but that he would go with the Kel Tec...maybe I'll wait around until I find one.Quote:
Originally Posted by CARTEK
For lack of a better way of saying it...the LCP is my grim reaper defense and fits nicely inside my boot. I don't anticipate ever having to use it, but one never knows when someone is being invited to go find another job.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
On another point, if one is proficient with a handgun...a 22 WMRF is a choice that is often overlooked. There are multiple 9 shot revolvers on the market and KelTec is now offering a 30 shot that is the size of a 1911 but weighs about a pound less. My doctor friends tell me that the 22 WMRF literally destroys the innards because it generally bounces off bones once in the body cavity, which is analogous to the 223 and its damage down range.
I have the PF9; I bought it last year. I like it, but it took a while for me to get there. You won't confuse it for a higher end semiauto like a Kahr (it's not nearly as well made/robust as my H&K), but once I got through 150 rounds (and added a hogue slip on grip) it has been very reliable, and slightly more comfortable to shoot. Slightly. Two magazines worth and I'm ready to move on to another gun, especially if I shoot some +P that I usually carry in the gun. It's not that the recoil is particularly bad, but the gun is very light -- it's about like shooting the airweight S&W .38's as far as felt recoil. It just isn't a great "range gun" (nor is it designed to be). You should note the manufacturer recommends shooting a limited amount of +P ammunition in the gun. It's very small, but more importantly to me it's very thin -- I usually pocket carry when I'm carrying.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
If you ever get through North Alabama, you're welcome to try it out...
I'm in middle GA, so I might make it over there. I stopped by the gun shop today and the 709 fits my pocket well. I've got an academy gift card and Academy doesn't carry Kel Tec. That might have made my decision.
I did notice on the 709 at the shop that the extractor had some burs on it. Some of them have it and some down. I'd suggest that if you get a Taurus give it a real good look over. If you see something that makes you wonder, see if they have another one you can look at.
I would get it if you are dedicated to testing it. Ammo ain't cheap though, unfortunately.
It helps that my other pistol is a 9mm.
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Originally Posted by Darbonnedawg
Talk about an accurate handgun! This 357 I picked-up from Darbonne is absolutely the most accurate I've ever shot out to about 30 yards or so. Every once in a long while you luck into a good one and this one is definitely it. I love shooting this gun.
On another subject I was listening to gun talk a week or two ago and he mentioned that the modern 380 loads are equivalent to the older 9mm loads making it a good choice for a concealed carry or car weapon. I'm looking at the new Berettas in 380 for my "get back" gun but roll with the 357 with "rock-crusher" hollowpoints in my vehicle/business.
yeah and the ancient 9mm loads sucked so don't use them
I would highly recommend the LCP as a boot 380 with any of the "defensive" brand name ammo.Quote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
I have it on good authority that the 223 shoots well (not as good as my Rock River) and the 270 is now a 308!
you can talk s*** about Taurus, but at least my AV doesn't say "socialism" and have a red guy pointing a gun at a blue guy. You have your reds and blues mixed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
The color red is commonly associated with communism/socialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
USSR, China, Nazis
The media originally had Republicans blue but changed it to red because of the aforementioned association and Democrats...this is a true story.
In the US, what is a "red state"? What is a "blue state"?Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
See Cartek's postQuote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
Cartek is known to make stuff up as he goes along....:icon_razz:Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
In today's US, what's a red state, what's a blue state?
Are you insulted by the colors? Or the message?Quote:
Originally Posted by DogtorEvil
Aw man...this used to be my favorite thread.
dude, I'm messing with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
and no, the message doesn't bother me, but the colors are bass-ackwards for representing who is holding the gun on whom todayQuote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
Here you go dogtor:
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...s_id=411537958
hmmmmm....Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Mags are running about $12 right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
No AR15 is complete without one.
How about a range report on the Taurus .45?
I saw a good deal on a used HK USP 9mm....night sights included for 499 at EGI tactical in Shreve. It was in great condition.
Anybody participate in IDPA? I never have and likely won't here because the closest club is about an hour away, but it sounds like a lot of fun.
If I had more money and time I'd do IDPA.
Is the biggest cost the ammo? Sounds like you shoot a minimum of 100 rounds at the competition. Assuming you practice, you could be shooting 500 rounds a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by FishingBack
Just used my new Butler Creek "Hot Lips" 25 round clips and "Hot Lips" magazine loader for my 10-22. LOVE IT! Man you can really heat-up a barrel with these things! Combined with my super-scope that is either green dot/red dot or nightime green cross/red cross it is one plinking machine. Those coyotes better watch-out!
500 rounds a week is a lot of money for me. So is 100. I don't really have any disposable income at this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I assume there is a fee to join IDPA and a fee per individual event. Also, I don't have a full sized 9mm which seems to be the prevailing competition choice. My holser is not built toward fast competition drawing either.
IDPA claims you need to use "self defense" gear but there are inherent advantages to certain types of gear which greatly affect your chances. I don't want to buy a new holster or anything.
People don't really use full sized glocks to conceal carry.
It does sound fun though, and it's not THAT expensive.
Cartek is gonna be proud of me. Ordered my first 1911 yesterday. Can't wait to get it and break it in!
awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Did you get the new Remington version?Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Nah...Quote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
I went with a Rock Island Armory. It's one of the cheaper ones you can by, but the reviews seem to be more universally positive than the Taurus 1911's and it was more affordable than the Springfield GI's. And...unlike many GI models, it comes with a combat trigger, hammer, and beaver tail.
It likely won't win any beauty contests, but their customer service is supposed to be great and they say that they are very reliable. Should be a good "platform" for customization if I end up really liking it. If I don't, I'll sell it and find a striker fired .45 ACP.
http://img211.imageshack.us/i/dsc01935jh7.jpg/
Don't know anything about the new Remongton 1911 as they just came out. I signed up for the Remington newsletter email thing and they keep me posted on all new R&D and the like.
Supposedly the ones they used to make back in the old days were great. A lot of the 1911 "enthusiasts" on the message boards are really excited about them. MSRP should be around $700, so they should be at the same price point as the Springfield GI models.Quote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
What is the board's opinion on this bad boy?
S&W .44 mag
But I'm open to the 357 due to the much cheaper round. I've been looking for a revolver with a punch. It would be nicknamed my manhood compensator!
Anybody wanna guess what I'll recommend?
Just like a .357 can shoot .38 special, a .44 mag can shoot the cheaper .44 special ammo as well. Unless you plan on encountering a bear, I imagine .357 is probably enough gun for most purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by louisiana_dog
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Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
I was thinking of the upcoming, always looming, zombie attack that I may wake up too. :laugh:
Upon further research, unless I get something with a 5 in barrel or greater, the barrel wont take full advantage of the .44's power.
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Originally Posted by louisiana_dog
"Zombie"..."Liberal Govt Aftermath"...same difference. 357 is the way to go. With todays modern rounds the 357 is much better than the 40's as an all-around choice.
Vehicle: 357 that I bought compliments of this thread with 3 speed loaders in the console next to weapon. Capacity for rapid fire: 24 Rounds. I don't leave an empty chamber in my vehicle gun.
Work: 380: 15 rounds with what I call the "rock crusher" HP's. More powerfull than the "Original G's" 9's of the past two decades in a much smaller get back model. When I shake your hand or bring your steaks/food to the front of my business I've got this one on me and NOBODY will notice or has in the past 11 years.
Home: 12 Gauge Remington 870. Plug Removed. 5 Rounds of BB Shot. Will "blender" any "home invasion specialist" but keep my neighbors safe as the BB's will not retain enough energy if they perforate a wall. Plus I've been using 870's for over 30 years and can safely use it at a very rapid rate in the dark.
I took your advice, I bought a S&W 686+ .357 magnum 6" barrel and it rocks. It has a 7 round cylinder and is a bear. I went and fired it the other day, very accurate. I put both 38 specials and 357 through it. I would recommend this product to another customer.
Just found used Glock 22s on sale for $315 with night sites. That's for the second generation edition. The third generation is like $360. These are trade-ins from law enforcement agencies. The only bad thing is that .40 ammo is high. Mucho stopping power though. :icon_wink:
Anybody licensed to do transfers?
Local shops will usually do them for between 20-30.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldawgBB
Ya... That's what I've paid in the past. Just like to work with Tech grads whenever possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Anybody have(or have shot) a Walther P22? I'm trying to find a .22 for target shooting. I've heard good and bad about the Walther P22 and Sig Sauer Mosquito.
Can't go wrong with a Browning if you're after a good auto 22.
Anyone seen the new Kel-Tec PMR-30? Sweet!
My favorite new gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-uaFNGY_ug
Crap. They don't carry these at my local Academy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Easydawg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAZT6...eature=related
My new favorite gun/sniper combo.
Noice. Thanks Ross.Quote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
The limited list of things that could have made that hotter:
was also holding a football
either drank a beer or did a shot prior to shooting
kissed the other girl after she finished shooting
Traded my Remington 700 SPS in .270 WSM for a Savage weather warrior in .308. I can shoot 60 rounds for what it cost to get 20 in the short mag.
You are correct. My father has a Browning rifle. Great gun!Quote:
Originally Posted by marketdawg
The light, import 308's are hot..and I mean smoking. My favorite long rifle round. Like the 223 without the NATO drawbacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnnylightnin
Yep, this dude was some kind of swift.
http://www.wimp.com/fastestgunman/
Nad, to change the subject, do you have an opinion about the Kel-Tec .32 auto?Quote:
Originally Posted by nadB
Not really. I've seen 'em and read the reviews, but don't care for the .32 cal. Would be hard to beat for concealability, tho. You got one ??Quote:
Originally Posted by saltydawg