Could Wisconsin's win possibly help us? Afterall, one of WAC Champ Utah St's 2 losses this season was to Wisconsin, 16-14. Having Wisconsin beat the crap out of Nebraska makes USU's close loss look pretty good.Originally Posted by dj95
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Could Wisconsin's win possibly help us? Afterall, one of WAC Champ Utah St's 2 losses this season was to Wisconsin, 16-14. Having Wisconsin beat the crap out of Nebraska makes USU's close loss look pretty good.
Don't forget USU missed a chip shot field goal at the end of that game.
They would have to jump 5 teams... Boysee, Texas and Kent St, then would people drop UCLA and Michigan??
If they get in, I'll throw up just thinking about the money we threw away....
Fred Dean is a Hall of Famer and the best defensive player in Tech history. More players went to the pros during that four year period than any time in Tech's history. I'm not touting those teams because of the record because they did play inferior competition, just as I am unimpressed with our record this year because of our inability to beat teams with winning records. But when you compare the talent, position by position, you will see a clear advantage in the 70's teams at skill positions, defensive backs and at defensive tackle. The 70's lb's were better in pass defense and were more game savvy (better coached?), but not as physical as now and not as good against the running game between the tackles as this year's team. Tech's OL is much bigger now, but they would hardly slow the pass rush of Dean, and two of Tech's all-time best OL were on those teams.
It can't happen, but I would love to see a Madden game between those teams and this year's team. I think that the talent edge of the 70's teams at the skill positions, offensively and at cornerback, would have offset the size and physicality advantage of today's team.
I'll certainly cede that some of those early 70's players --especially Fred Dean-- were in a class all by themselves. But as you know, it's a much different game today. Back then, recruiting was totally different. In the early 70's, LA Tech didn't have to worry about Oregon St or Boise St coming into its backyard and signing potential Bulldog players. Back in the early 70's, almost all of Tech's road games were played in such faraway lands as Lake Charles, or Beaumont, or Jonesboro, or Lafayette. And as you've already acknowledged, it was indeed a rare occasion to see LA Tech line up against what we call an "AQ" school today.
Clearly, the competition back in the 1970's was far inferior to what the 2012 Bulldawgs line up against today. For example, last year's 3rd place finisher in the WAC --Utah St-- had a LB and 2 RB's (ILB Wagner, RB's Smith & Turbin) drafted on the first day of the NFL draft. Today, the San Francisco 49er's have a starting QB who is familiar to all Tech fans, former Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick. And don't get me started on the number of NFL players drafted from the WAC over the last 10 years -including 2007's #1 overall draft choice, David Carr of Fresno St.
This my friend, is the type of competition that the early 1970's Tech teams never had to face, much less face every week.
Again, none of my comments are intended to denigrate the fantastic LA Tech teams of the early 1970's. Those players accomplished exactly what they set out to do. But I don't think there's any doubt that the game has changed enormously since that time, and the competition is MUCH TOUGHER today than it was back in the early 70's. That's why I said comparing the 2 is analogous to comparing Apples and Oranges.
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wut?
Originally Posted by champion110
I am less angry this morning and ready to get back up on the horse. That girl was a freak last night.
Originally Posted by champion110
In fact, I finally had to tell her to stop over the last weekend, because I was worn out and needed a break.
Your engine has jumped the track again. Close losses can provide reason for future optimism, but nothing more. If we had played five teams with good winning records, with all 5 being close losses, we would still be a 7-5 team. We would be a competitive team, but not a good team.
That's exactly what you and others are doing. You're confusing competitive with good; trying to make the case that if we are competitive with good teams then we must be good. That's not correct.
Oh I'll not take offense. I'm in the mood for the hypothetical. We're still advancing two different arguments. You are trying to make a case that our team this year is better than a '70's team simply because it plays far better competition. I am arguing that the '70's teams would beat our team this year in a head to head meeting because it had better talent at all skill positions that would offset the overall size advantage of our team this year.
I do think our team now, because it is bigger as all teams are today, would fare better against this year's schedule than a 70's team would, but that can be said of any team from 40 years ago. But in a one-game winner-takes-all contest between a 70's team and our team this year I'm fairly confident the 70's team would prevail.
Somebody call the cops. Its 1 AM and LFR just said that he was "in the mood" when conversating with HogDawg.
BECAUSE it's 1 AM! You don't think I'd talk to HogDawg during 'regular' hours do you?!
Go ahead and throw up because an 11-1 Tech team would have been in easily...not a doubt.
Using the Colley Matrix hypotheticals on its website, Northern Illinois will likely jump 5 spots in that ranking. It will come down to what the coaches and Harris voters do to see if NIU is in range of getting top 16. Still don't think Boise can get there with no computer ranking points, and NIU will almost certainly jump Boise State, Texas, and Kent State. It will also need to jump Michigan and UCLA...those two will be tougher.
Guess what. These polls get "rigged" to put schools in or out. It's not NIU's year to be "in." Their story is not interesting enough to television. The "fix" is in. Ugly isn't it?
The Heart of Dallas Bowl is supposed to trade Iowa State to the Liberty Bowl and invite us to take the Big XII's spot. I assume Purdue will be our opponent.
I think Central Michigan and Middle Tennessee will get left out.
Western Kentucky to Detroit
Bowling Green to Shreveport
Ohio to St. Pete or DC
I'm not convinced. Speed kills. I do believe our skill position players today are OVERALL faster than what we had on the roster back in the early 70's (present LB's not withstanding). For instance, I think Quinton Patton and Myles White are much faster than Roger Carr & Pat Tilley, who as we know were pretty dominate WR's for their time. I would also give Kenneth Dixon and a healthy Tevin King the speed nod over Charles "Quick Six" McDaniel (Tech's leading rusher in '71, '73 & '74) and Glen Berteau ('72). Ray Holley looks fast too.
BTW, McDaniels' best year was his freshman year, when he ran for 913 yds. He had 690 yds and 700 yds respectively in '73 & '74).
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