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    Re: Fire Holtz

    Quote Originally Posted by techman05 View Post
    Rouge, you mistake La Tech for a proactive program.
    Following the title of this thread would be reactive, not proactive.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    From the lack of activity after what should go down as a top-10 embarrassing loss, I can tell most of you must be absolutely dejected and fallen in to apathy regarding this program.

    Fortunately, I live too far away to see this gong show in person and make an a$$ out of myself in section OO and the parking lot after drinking a few too many beam and cokes with Captain Rowdy.

    On the other hand, I am not able to adequately channel my anger and frustration - lack of a gun culture here in Canada, my wife doesn't care and most people around here don't know God's sport very well.

    WTF is T-Mac doing at some AD Symposium when he should be at the Wyly Athletic Center taking care of business and putting Holtz and his goods on a performance improvement plan?

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    For the record, I'm on the bandwagon. Something's awry at Tech, and the apathy was thick among both players and fans. The Tech team that stepped out on the field yesterday never had a chance. I really hope we can turn it around, but I think we finish 3-9.


    Fire him.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    I have settled down after the bad loss to UNT. It isn't that Tech lost but the way they are losing. With young players you expect them to be excited and motivated and making some dumb plays but most of the problems this year are coaching:

    1. We have a good D line so we take them out after 3 plays and bring in a whole new set. We do it at all positions except Oline and quarterback. Play your best players until they are tired. Stop the subbing.

    2. Peterson is a terrible coordinator as a play caller. Just once he needs to call a pass play on 3rd or 4th down past the yardage sticks. Pick a damn system and stick with it. Calling a fade route to a small reciever from the 20 isn't very smart. Run more crossing routes against man, hell maybe try a fly or deep post pattern against man coverage. The teams Tech are playing dont respect the passing game so it is tough to run. You have to make some big plays to open up the run.

    3. HCSH needs to be more aggressive. Quit playing for a field goal attempt. Fake a punt or do something that is not predictable. People in the stands know what your going to do every time because you are too conservative so do the opponents.

    4. This is the most disturbing of my complaints. Don't suck the life out of the players. Tech is a small school and the team needs a chip on its shoulder. When the UNT punks where pushing and hitting after the play our guys didn't do shit. I would rather lose fighting then laying down like tech did yesterday. The second half tech was lifeless and just going through the motions.

    Do any of you remember head coach Carl Torbush? He was just like HCSH. Thank god North Carolina wanted him after one year. We were not allowed to cuss on the field and playing rough was frowned upon. Nice guy and good talker but terrible motivator.

    We need a different kind of coach than skip to be successful. We need a guy with fire with a win or die trying attitude and loves being at Tech. I haven't seen that fire from both the offense and the defense on a tech team for a long time. Last year the O had swagger, we need a coach that brings a chip to put on each players shoulder.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    We need to hire Scott Maxfield(former Tech player) from Henderson State and promote Rattay to OC. That team would have some fire.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    Quote Originally Posted by upsetpuppydog View Post
    We need to hire Scott Maxfield(former Tech player) from Henderson State and promote Rattay to OC. That team would have some fire.
    Pretty impressive what he's done at Henderson St.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    The last thing this team needs is more fire, ha.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    The Sagarin Predictor archives go back to 2001.

    Here is what the lines would be against our best team according to the Sagarin Predictor.

    Predictor Rank Team Predictor Line
    39 Dykes 2011 (extention, raise) 0.00
    52 Dykes 2012 (hired by Cal) 2.21
    78 Dooley 2009 (hired by Tenn) 8.13
    78 Bicknell 2001 9.14
    96 Bicknell 2004 11.19
    89 Dykes 2010 11.76
    94 Bicknell 2005 12.53
    92 Bicknell 2003 13.10
    100 Dooley 2008 14.50
    109 Bicknell 2002 17.36
    119 Dooley 2007 17.76
    154 Holtz 2013 (???) 23.30
    169 Bicknell 2006 (fired) 30.33
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    Re: Fire Holtz

    I usually leave the coach bashing to all of you that post a lot, but there is one thing that really bothers me. If something works in one game we don't use it the next. I understand every team is different, but as Holtz says we need to worry about us, not the other team. There are two things that really stand out. The little pitch to King in the 2nd half against Lamar. It got a play maker in space, and worked. Then we didn't see it for 3 weeks. May have worked against Tulane stacking the box, but we continued to run little King between the tackles. It's been 2 weeks so I may be wrong about the other, but I thought we ran more plays out of the pistol against UTEP, and it worked. Didn't see much of that yesterday. I feel the pistol gives a back like Dixon the chance to do something. He doesn't have to go from 0 to 100 if someone gets past our line, which happens a lot. You can still run the read option out of it, and our passing game is what is...good enough to make some plays here and there, but not going to win a game for you.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    Quote Originally Posted by Black View Post
    I usually leave the coach bashing to all of you that post a lot, but there is one thing that really bothers me. If something works in one game we don't use it the next. I understand every team is different, but as Holtz says we need to worry about us, not the other team. There are two things that really stand out. The little pitch to King in the 2nd half against Lamar. It got a play maker in space, and worked. Then we didn't see it for 3 weeks. May have worked against Tulane stacking the box, but we continued to run little King between the tackles. It's been 2 weeks so I may be wrong about the other, but I thought we ran more plays out of the pistol against UTEP, and it worked. Didn't see much of that yesterday. I feel the pistol gives a back like Dixon the chance to do something. He doesn't have to go from 0 to 100 if someone gets past our line, which happens a lot. You can still run the read option out of it, and our passing game is what is...good enough to make some plays here and there, but not going to win a game for you.
    Don't bring logical thought into this discussion, it will confuse the holtz backer. yes, there is only 1 now.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cscollis View Post
    I have settled down after the bad loss to UNT. It isn't that Tech lost but the way they are losing. With young players you expect them to be excited and motivated and making some dumb plays but most of the problems this year are coaching:

    1. We have a good D line so we take them out after 3 plays and bring in a whole new set. We do it at all positions except Oline and quarterback. Play your best players until they are tired. Stop the subbing.

    2. Peterson is a terrible coordinator as a play caller. Just once he needs to call a pass play on 3rd or 4th down past the yardage sticks. Pick a damn system and stick with it. Calling a fade route to a small reciever from the 20 isn't very smart. Run more crossing routes against man, hell maybe try a fly or deep post pattern against man coverage. The teams Tech are playing dont respect the passing game so it is tough to run. You have to make some big plays to open up the run.

    3. HCSH needs to be more aggressive. Quit playing for a field goal attempt. Fake a punt or do something that is not predictable. People in the stands know what your going to do every time because you are too conservative so do the opponents.

    4. This is the most disturbing of my complaints. Don't suck the life out of the players. Tech is a small school and the team needs a chip on its shoulder. When the UNT punks where pushing and hitting after the play our guys didn't do shit. I would rather lose fighting then laying down like tech did yesterday. The second half tech was lifeless and just going through the motions.

    Do any of you remember head coach Carl Torbush? He was just like HCSH. Thank god North Carolina wanted him after one year. We were not allowed to cuss on the field and playing rough was frowned upon. Nice guy and good talker but terrible motivator.

    We need a different kind of coach than skip to be successful. We need a guy with fire with a win or die trying attitude and loves being at Tech. I haven't seen that fire from both the offense and the defense on a tech team for a long time. Last year the O had swagger, we need a coach that brings a chip to put on each players shoulder.
    THIS. This is HCSH and his staff. If you don't coach with fire, they won't play with fire (if they're young/inexperienced). They should be jumping around, getting guys excited, getting some emotion and passion in the game when we're playing flat like we were Saturday. But you can't expect that when half the staff is first time coaches and the head coach himself is out for a Sunday stroll up and down the sidelines.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    Quote Originally Posted by SWarner63 View Post
    THIS. This is HCSH and his staff. If you don't coach with fire, they won't play with fire (if they're young/inexperienced). They should be jumping around, getting guys excited, getting some emotion and passion in the game when we're playing flat like we were Saturday. But you can't expect that when half the staff is first time coaches and the head coach himself is out for a Sunday stroll up and down the sidelines.
    Exactly. Unfortunately, some fans think that getting 400 yards of offense means we have good coaching... even though we were rolled by 2 scores at home by a Sun Belt team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mildawg View Post
    Exactly. Unfortunately, some fans think that getting 400 yards of offense means we have good coaching... even though we were rolled by 2 scores at home by a Sun Belt team.
    AND, completely out-toughed according to our senior defensive end. How have we gotten to the point that UNT out-tough's us? If there is ONE THING we should ALWAYS have, it's a physical, nasty, tough group of OL and DL. If we're getting out-toughed by UNT, that is definitely not what we have.

    In 2010, one of Navy's defensive linemen told a group of us OL that we were the best, toughest OL he'd ever played against. He was a senior and had played against Notre Dame and some of the best OL's in the country. We as a group took pride in that and it was our mission (well before that comment) to beat the soul out of any DL we played from then until I graduated. If we didn't have at least 150 yards on the ground, I felt horrible after the game. I wanted any defensive linemen I walked away from to know he had played a tough group of guys that would scrap, fight, and punch him in the mouth EVERY play.

    Having that attitude in the trenches permeates the rest of your team. When a team can see an OL pounding the ball and shoving a DL around, they feed off of that and play with that same type of attitude. I know we don't have that right now, and it pisses me off. To have set a foundation like we did as an OL the last few years (and guys well before me) and have the product I saw on the field Saturday is a disgrace. I don't care who was in the game, but for us to be that soft, lifeless, and useless and to only rush for 37 yards is a disgrace. I hope our OL is ashamed of that performance because it's a disgrace to the guys who came before you and set the precedence of tough, aggressive, and passionate play in the trenches. And I know it's not all of our OL, but this is a message to you Jens Danielsen, and whatever your names are #78 and #67. Stephen Warner says you are soft, weak, and scared. You have shown me that you have no desire to perfect your craft as an OL and you haven't show me any toughness, desire, or passion. And until you prove me wrong, you don't deserve to wear the Tech T or play at the Joe.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    Quote Originally Posted by SWarner63 View Post
    AND, completely out-toughed according to our senior defensive end. How have we gotten to the point that UNT out-tough's us? If there is ONE THING we should ALWAYS have, it's a physical, nasty, tough group of OL and DL.
    I hear we are gonna be great at the C-USA sloshtube competition.

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    Re: Fire Holtz

    Quote Originally Posted by maddawg View Post
    I hear we are gonna be great at the C-USA sloshtube competition.
    I hear we do what others fear. Makes sense...most teams are deathly afraid of losing to the doormats we've lost to this year. #dawgup
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