Fire Holtz

[upsetpuppydog]

I think Blake and Hunter are very similar players. Hunter got an opportunity and he did great, but the 2011 team was carried by defense and special teams (especially punting).

The only thing that they have in common is that they are both white guys that play RB. You choose to ignore the facts that don't support your argument.

[Gooddawg]

So, what happened to HL in 2012? Seems Dykes/Franklin didn't utilize him any more than Holtz did this year.

They moved him to inside receiver and he is not a WR. He is a MUCH better RB and should have never been moved. I would move him back yesterday and let him be primary back up to Dixon. The kid just makes plays as a RB. He catches the ball well but doesn't have the quickness or speed to play WR, is not a great blocker out there and is playing out of position.

[Dawg06]

Wasn't Holley injured in 2011? So, when Creer was dismissed from the team HL got a shot. Would you rather HL got the carries over Dixon last year? Holley was back last year so........... Maybe HL is a good situational player, but not an every down kind of guy.

Holley injured his neck against Mississippi State. Then Lyle Fitte tore his ACL against Idaho. That's when Hunter took over, in the middle of the Idaho game. I can't remember exactly at which point Creer went out. I think Creer played kinda banged up all season and then got hurt badly about the same time fall quarter grades were posted... Don't know what we would have done without Hunter.

[Dawg06]

Good find, HD!

Don't forget Jacarri Jackson made an amazing catch to keep that game-winning drive going at Nevada. I still remember Dave going crazy after that catch and Maxie reiterating that we were gonna be OK if we could get it down to a 2-score game by the 9-minute mark... and we did!

I'm still mad at Mr. Peanut for not getting that WAC championship game televised!

[T1]

The only thing that they have in common is that they are both white guys that play RB. You choose to ignore the facts that don't support your argument.

What facts? They are both white, they are both 5'10, 195, they both run about a 4.6 forty, they were both walkons, they both play RB, and they are both from North Texas. Hunter has made more big plays than Blake Martin, but they are similar players, imo. They look the same on the field. What facts am I missing?

[OLDBLUE]

What facts? They are both white, they are both 5'10, 195, they both run about a 4.6 forty, they were both walkons, they both play RB, and they are both from North Texas. Hunter has made more big plays than Blake Martin, but they are similar players, imo. They look the same on the field. What facts am I missing?

That he is "upset?"

[70TECHGRAD]

That he is "upset?"

And...only a "puppy"!!!

[upsetpuppydog]

What facts? They are both white, they are both 5'10, 195, they both run about a 4.6 forty, they were both walkons, they both play RB, and they are both from North Texas. Hunter has made more big plays than Blake Martin, but they are similar players, imo. They look the same on the field. What facts am I missing?

Hunter has more skill and is a very efficient runner. Hunter always goes forward that is how I would describe his style. Hunter has very good RB instincts. Hunter has proven himself, Martin has not, I would not be surprised if Skip never watched the 2011 film. Hunter was the guy that got us over the hump in 2011.

[T1]

Hunter has more skill and is a very efficient runner. Hunter always goes forward that is how I would describe his style. Hunter has very good RB instincts. Hunter has proven himself, Martin has not, I would not be surprised if Skip never watched the 2011 film. Hunter was the guy that got us over the hump in 2011.

I'm not arguing that. But, he is not so much better than Martin that we should sacrifice having Martin at RB and Lee at WR at the same time, imo. His talent is much closer to Martin's than it is to Dixon's. He would not come in and replace Dixon and match that production. His production would be very similar to Martin's... a little better, but not much. Leave him at receiver and give Martin the 4.5 yards per carry.

[upsetpuppydog]

I'm not arguing that. But, he is not so much better than Martin that we should sacrifice having Martin at RB and Lee at WR at the same time, imo. His talent is much closer to Martin's than it is to Dixon's. He would not come in and replace Dixon and match that production. His production would be very similar to Martin's... a little better, but not much. Leave him at receiver and give Martin the 4.5 yards per carry.

I will break it down for you.

We have a losing record.

We lost Patton, White, Holley from last year.

Dixon gets hurt.

You say we have no playmakers.

We have a playmaker that got us a conference championship in 2011 in Hunter Lee.

We don't use Hunter Lee.

Does any of this make any sense to you?

Using Hunter Lee at running back would have probably won us at least 2 more games. Hunter has been productive when he has played and you try to say that he wouldn't be productive? If this is how Holtz really thinks then no wonder why we had a losing record with this weak schedule. Not all 5-10 white guys are the same, I don't care about Hunter's 40 time, what I care about is his production, at RB he has the it factor and good instincts, which can't be coached.

[T1]

Hunter had a better OL in 2011, and a little better passing game to take some players out of the box. There is no guarantee he would do as well this year behind this line and everybody in the box on him. He's not a boss, he's just a gutsy little clutch player who's nice to have on the team for some situational plays every once in a while.

[johnnylightnin]

Hunter had a better OL in 2011, and a little better passing game to take some players out of the box. There is no guarantee he would do as well this year behind this line and everybody in the box on him. He's not a boss, he's just a gutsy little clutch player who's nice to have on the team for some situational plays every once in a while.

I don't know exactly what Hunter would've done for us, but when you're 4-8, "there is no guarantee" is not a good argument. Why not give it a shot?

[T1]

I don't know exactly what Hunter would've done for us, but when you're 4-8, "there is no guarantee" is not a good argument. Why not give it a shot?

At what point do you try it? After USM? (game 10)

[johnnylightnin]

At what point do you try it? After USM? (game 10)

Immediately after Dixon was hurt. You spread the carries around to Lee, Martin, and whoever else to avoid rushing Dixon back. Injuries aside, I would've started getting him more touches after Army trounced us. It was pretty clear at that point that we were not likely a bowl team.

[T1]

We still had Kenneth until game 10. I don't see the point of replacing Martin with Lee. Keep Lee at WR instead of 3rd team RB.