The Positives

[TYLERTECHSAS]

The revisionist history is one of the worst things about this site. We act like Sonny Dykes didn't win 17 games over his final two seasons and have us in the best position we'd been in over the past 15 years.

Wrong! Dykes staff left the cupboard bare with his JUCO recruiting and zero/NADA recruiting history nor contact list for Holtz at all. They were deleted.

[HogDawg]

That's BS. Don't be foolish, Tyler. Dykes did exactly what he was hired to do -- WIN! He did it, and he did it well. His teams were incredibly exciting to watch, and brought our university more respect than we had ever experienced. While in Ruston, Dykes won a conference championship, earned a Top 25 national ranking and competed in a very high quality bowl game. And because of his success, Tech eventually earned an invitation to CUSA.

I could go on, but his results speak for themselves.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Wrong! Dykes staff left the cupboard bare with his JUCO recruiting and zero/NADA recruiting history nor contact list for Holtz at all. They were deleted.

That's BS. Don't be foolish. Dykes did exactly what he was hired to do -- WIN! He did it, and he did it well. His teams were incredibly exciting to watch, and brought our university more respect than we had ever experienced. While in Ruston, Dykes won a conference championship, earned a Top 25 national ranking and competed in a very high quality bowl game. And because of his success, Tech eventually earned an invitation to CUSA.

I could go on, but his results speak for themselves.

If you are talking to me my above are just the facts. We have a few really good ones from that period. A few. But his JUCO recruiting hurt as did the deletion of the recruiting data set.

[HogDawg]

If you are talking to me my above are just the facts. We have a few really good ones from that period. A few. But his JUCO recruiting hurt as did the deletion of the recruiting data set.

Yes, I was talking to you, Tyler. You don't have any facts. You're just bitching about "bare cupboards" like Holtz. I gave you facts.....things that actually HAPPENED!!

If it was so easy to get Jucos, then Holtz should do it. God knows, he needs the wins. Patton & company sure worked out pretty well.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Wrong! Dykes staff left the cupboard bare with his JUCO recruiting and zero/NADA recruiting history nor contact list for Holtz at all. They were deleted.

That's BS. Don't be foolish, Tyler. Dykes did exactly what he was hired to do -- WIN! He did it, and he did it well. His teams were incredibly exciting to watch, and brought our university more respect than we had ever experienced. While in Ruston, Dykes won a conference championship, earned a Top 25 national ranking and competed in a very high quality bowl game. And because of his success, Tech eventually earned an invitation to CUSA.

I could go on, but his results speak for themselves.

If you are talking to me my above are just the facts. We have a few really good ones from that period. A few. But his JUCO recruiting hurt as did the deletion of the recruiting data set.

Yes, I was talking to you, Tyler. You don't have any facts. You're just bitching about "bare cupboards" like Holtz. I gave you facts.....things that actually HAPPENED!!

If it was so easy to get Jucos, then Holtz should do it. God knows, he needs the wins. Patton & company sure worked oretty well.

He left the cupboard bare and recruited too many JUCOs. The same reason our starters this year have only 25 starts total as a team.

[HogDawg]

He left the cupboard bare and recruited too many JUCOs. The same reason our starters this year have only 25 starts total as a team.

Boo hoo. Then Holtz should go recruit somebody. We're now in year 2. For the most part, the best players I still see on the field for us today are Dykes recruits.

[TYLERTECHSAS]

Wrong! Dykes staff left the cupboard bare with his JUCO recruiting and zero/NADA recruiting history nor contact list for Holtz at all. They were deleted.

That's BS. Don't be foolish, Tyler. Dykes did exactly what he was hired to do -- WIN! He did it, and he did it well. His teams were incredibly exciting to watch, and brought our university more respect than we had ever experienced. While in Ruston, Dykes won a conference championship, earned a Top 25 national ranking and competed in a very high quality bowl game. And because of his success, Tech eventually earned an invitation to CUSA.

I could go on, but his results speak for themselves.

If you are talking to me my above are just the facts. We have a few really good ones from that period. A few. But his JUCO recruiting hurt as did the deletion of the recruiting data set.

Boo hoo. Then Holtz should go recruit somebody. We're now in year 2. For the most part, the best players I still see on the field for us today are Dykes recruits.

That's because Holtz is trying to actually build something in Ruston, unlike Dikes, by Red Shirting as many H.S recruits as he can.

[HogDawg]

That's because Holtz is trying to actually build something in Ruston, unlike Dikes, by Red Shirting as many H.S recruits as he can.

.....while apparently LOSING as many games as he can. Hell of a strategy. If he keeps losing games like last year, he'll have a hard time getting any quality recruits to come to Ruston.

[BearDawg137]

He left the cupboard bare and recruited too many JUCOs. The same reason our starters this year have only 25 starts total as a team.

He recruited Dixon and King out of high school, and much of our great secondary. Not to say that his JUCO recruiting was perfect, but had he stayed, he may have been able to continue doing so with success just like Bill Snyder from Kansas State (as someone mentioned before); if he could have done that for last year, we may just have made a bowl game. But he left, Holtz came, and Holtz wanted to start from scratch with mostly green high school recruits. I'm not saying that that philosophy is wrong, but it will take 1-2 years for that method to gain success. Had Holtz also gone after more JuCos and transfers last year (he has recruited some both years), then who knows, he could have continued Tech's success right off the bat.

I don't really know what went wrong at SFlorida, but maybe it was his recruiting that messed him up. He did well the first year with his predecessors recruits. He had a leg up at ECU because he had helped his dad at SouthCar. Maybe he didn't recruit the right staff to help him recruit, or whatever. History will tell us how good Holtz is by the end of the year...

[HogDawg]

He recruited Dixon and King out of high school, and much of our great secondary. Not to say that his JUCO recruiting was perfect, but had he stayed, he may have been able to continue doing so with success just like Bill Snyder from Kansas State (as someone mentioned before); if he could have done that for last year, we may just have made a bowl game. But he left, Holtz came, and Holtz wanted to start from scratch with mostly green high school recruits. I'm not saying that that philosophy is wrong, but it will take 1-2 years for that method to gain success. Had Holtz also gone after more JuCos and transfers last year (he has recruited some both years), then who knows, he could have continued Tech's success right off the bat.

I don't really know what went wrong at SFlorida, but maybe it was his recruiting that messed him up. He did well the first year with his predecessors recruits. He had a leg up at ECU because he had helped his dad at SouthCar. Maybe he didn't recruit the right staff to help him recruit, or whatever. History will tell us how good Holtz is by the end of the year...

Holtz is just milking this job for extra time. He buys time by telling "fans" like Tyler that he's rebuilding the program from the ground up. Everybody knows that's a 3-5 year rebuilding project. Unfortunately for us, all the fans and support will be gone by then.

[Bigdog13]

I agree...coaches and admin are paid good money. And with that they open themselves up to criticism. My point was the constant bashing just gets old, even by certain moderators. This site used to be my number 1 resource for Tech athletics. It's not anymore. If I want to actually talk Tech sports, I go elsewhere.

http://youtu.be/i0BTdo6qGwo

[Bigdog13]

He left the cupboard bare and recruited too many JUCOs. The same reason our starters this year have only 25 starts total as a team.

Is that what the previous coach at USF did to Holtz too??

[theprofessor]

I'll be the first (that I've seen) to say it. I've seen some great teams over the years, and I just don't think this OU is that great. I'm not buying into all the talk about them being a title-contending team. I'll be surprised if the Sooners make it to the playoff.

[T1]

I thought they looked great in the 1st quarter. Reminded me of that LSU team that was beating us 49-0 at halftime and went on the win the national championship. 2nd and 3rd quarter wasn't so great. Their subs were about like us in the 4th quarter.

[touchdown123]

Apparently, the first kick blocked we only had 10 men on the field, while the 1st punt attempt with OU we had 12.

Wow. Seems like total lack of preparation. Isn't the holder supposed to make sure everybody is on the field and in the right spot? Isn't a coach supposed to do the same? At worst, it should have cost us a timeout.

The fact that we can't get lined up properly after months of practice is the most ridiculous thing I've seen. Not once, but twice. And nobody caught it until after the play.