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Well, if you want to get all technical and such, sure!Originally Posted by RealityCheck
But I guess I look at the play-in game as having to win a game to be a #16 seed, not a #16 seed winning a game, but it is part of the NCAA Tournament, so I guess so.
Just for fun, let's imagine a hypothetical scenario:
Imagine you were a fan of a certain team. The team you are a fan of won a conference championship outright. Then, there's another team that lost twice as many conference games as your team did. Instead of your team being rewarded for winning the conference championship, they had to go to the hometown of the team that lost twice as many games as your team did and play them. Keep in mind, your team never lost a game at home. Lo and behold, your team lost an OT game to the team that had previously lost twice as many and, because of some crazy notion, all that your team proved over the course of the season was given to the other team. What would you think about that?
Have you considered those Dogs?
UAB 2011. #4 seed Memphis won the CUSA tournament after UAB won the regular season against a far superior CUSA. UAB 2011s resume was miles ahead of LT 2014s and we only got lobbed into the newly created play-in game as an apology for not getting an at large the previous year.. Hey, our PG was even the nations assist leader that year too. Only difference was the tourny was in El Paso that year and not Memphis. However, CUSA played the tourny at Memphis an obnoxious number of times in front of 16,000 Memphis fans on their actual homecourt with freaking Calipari as their HC and I dont remember anyone really complaining about it.
And again, a UAB team hadn't played at the BJCC in probably nearly 2 decades. The host team in the CUSA tournament has only won twice in the past 6 years as well...considering the teams hosting are usually the upper teams in the conference it isn't a huge deal. Advantage? Of course it is, but it isnt nearly as big of a deal people are trying to make it out to be. The games have to be played somewhere and wherever that is it is probably going to be closer to 1 school more than the others. No easy way around it. Most worthwhile cities in our footprint are close to a CUSA school.
"UAB 2011s resume was miles ahead of LT 2014s"
False. Here is UAB 2011's schedule. You beat Arkansas. Arkansas was 7 - 9 in the SEC that year. That was your big win. How is the UAB 2011 team miles ahead of Tech in 2014?
11/5/2010 8:00pm West Alabama Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 81–64 11/13/2010* 8:00pm Southeast Missouri State Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 78–56 2,787 1–0 11/17/2010* 8:00pm at Middle Tennessee State Murphy Center • Murfreesboro, TN W 76–71 4,028 2–0 11/20/2010* 4:00pm at Arizona State Wells Fargo Arena • Tempe, AZ L 66–69 8,642 2–1 11/23/2010* 8:00pm South Alabama Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 82–58 4,104 3–1 11/26/2010* 8:00pm vs. Arkansas Verizon Arena • Little Rock, AR W 70–65 OT 8,425 4–1 11/29/2010* 8:00pm at Troy Trojan Arena • Troy, AL W 78–57 1,914 5–1 12/01/2010* 8:00pm Jacksonville State Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 59–53 3,717 6–1 12/03/2010* 7:00pm at Georgia Stegeman Coliseum • Athens, GA FSSO L 64–66 7,253 6–2 12/05/2010* 8:00pm Kent State Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 75–59 3,151 7–2 12/19/2010* 8:00pm Alabama A&M Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 58–40 3,891 8–2 12/21/2010* 8:00pm VCU Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 68–65 4,344 9–2 12/27/2010* 8:00pm George Washington Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 79–44 5,091 10–2 01/05/2011* 7:00pm at #1 Duke Cameron Indoor Stadium • Durham, NC ESPN2 L 64–85 9,314 10–3 01/08/2011 4:00pm UTEP Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL CBSCS W 100–97 3OT 6,016 11–3 (1–0) 01/15/2011 8:05pm at Tulsa Reynolds Center • Tulsa, OK L 62–78 5,449 11–4 (1–1) 01/17/2011 7:00pm at East Carolina Williams Arena at Minges Coliseum • Greenville, NC W 66–59 3,887 12–4 (2–1) 01/19/2011 8:00pm SMU Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 67–53 4,113 13–4 (3–1) 01/22/2011 7:00pm Memphis Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL
(Bartow Classic)ESPN2 L 73–76 OT 9,119 13–5 (3–2) 01/26/2011 8:00pm Marshall Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 60–56 4,781 14–5 (4–2) 01/29/2011 7:00pm at UCF UCF Arena • Orlando, FL CSS W 74–69 7,431 15–5 (5–2) 02/02/2011 8:00pm Southern Miss Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL L 71–75 5,321 15–6 (5–3) 02/05/2011 3:00pm at Tulane Avron B. Fogelman Arena • New Orleans, LA W 47–39 2,131 16–6 (6–3) 02/09/2011 7:00pm at Marshall Cam Henderson Center • Huntington, WV W 64–48 5,174 17–6 (7–3) 02/12/2011 8:00pm Rice Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL CSS W 74–68 6,034 18–6 (8–3) 02/16/2011 7:00pm at Memphis FedEx Forum • Memphis, TN CBSCS L 58–62 16,818 18–7 (8–4) 02/19/2011 6:00pm UCF Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL CSS W 63–58 7,061 19–7 (9–4) 02/26/2011 6:00pm at Houston Hofheinz Pavilion • Houston, TX W 68–55 3,072 20–7 (10–4) 03/02/2011 7:00pm at Southern Miss Reed Green Coliseum • Hattiesburg, MS CSS W 67–66 4,395 21–7 (11–4) 03/05/2011 8:00pm East Carolina Bartow Arena • Birmingham, AL W 66–48 7,971 22–7 (12–4) 3/10/2011 1:00PM vs. East Carolina Don Haskins Center • El Paso, TX
(Quarterfinals)CBSCS L 70–75 OT 6,841 22–8 3/15/2011* 9:00PM vs. Clemson University of Dayton Arena • Dayton, OH
(First Four)truTV L 52–70 10,025 22–9
More than that, even though UAB lost in the quarter finals of the conference tournament in 2011--you were given the play-in game of the NCAA tournament! Not even close to comparable.
Louisiana Tech has lost ONE game at home in the last 2 years. UAB had narrow wins over both WKU and LaTech (OT), and it was obvious the crowd aided in those wins. UAB doesn't win those games on the road. Just last week, UAB dropped 2 road games so it's not like they were tearing through the conference.
Have you considered those Dogs?
First, let's keep the issues separated. Some of you are upset that for the 3rd straight season Tech won the regular season title and won't be dancing. Whose fault is that....really? Last year we lost to Tulsa in El Paso. Did Tulsa have a home court advantage over us? Nah!
Mike White teams have GLARING weaknesses! Easily exploited weaknesses. So, by the time Tech plays a team for a 3rd time in a season, the opposing coaches have figured it out. You'll say, yeah, but, other teams have weaknesses too, so White & his staff can exploit those. Yep! but for the 3rd straight season White & staff have been out-coached in the conference tourney.
Next, despite their record, UAB is a good team. They are very young, and often play like it. And, it's not their fault we shot 28 of 77 from the floor and 2 of 7 from the FT line. We, especially Heem, missed a bunch of chippy shots. And, yes, the refs did not help matters. Usually, the zebras' calls even out, but I honestly think we got the short-end in that game. Still, those things happen and champions need to find a way to win anyway.
Finally, this is why it's called March Madness. Sometimes, you just end up mad.
Look on the bright side....we do have FOOTBALL!!!!
Our SOS that year was 100 spots higher than LTs this year. We had 10 top 100 wins. You had 2 this year. CUSA finished 8th in the RPI that year. CUSA this year was 17th and had a losing record OOC. RPI was 40 IIRC. UAB had zero sub 200 losses. That is miles ahead in NCAA tournament terms.
Shouldn't you be working on finding a new conference?
Nah, I dont think our President or the UA BOT is interested in UAB having this sports stuff :P
And you were given access to the NCAA tournament... That's the entire point!
We won the conference by TWO games this year. LaTech definitely proved to be the best team in CUSA based on the body of work. The conference schedule should be the primary instrument of measuring a team verses its peers.
This is a different scenario than last year's because the conference championship was split 3 ways last year. LaTech was distinctly and definitively the BEST team in CUSA in 2014-15. I'm not saying UAB isn't good, they are. LaTech proved to be the best team over the course of the season yet UAB gets to go to the NCAA tournament based upon an overtime win in a game played in Birmingham? That's asinine!
Have you considered those Dogs?
Keeping it real. UNT, ULL, Syracuse, Temple, NCState... Those are the reasons we are not in the NCAA tournament. Point blank. OOC games in a one bit league are crucial, and you can't lose a game to a sub 200 rpi team. Win the games above and despite the tournament loss Tech is a 10-12 seed at large.
I think it's wrong to put everything on the conference tournament. It undermines the entire conference season. Do you agree or disagree?
Have you considered those Dogs?
since winning the regular season actually gains nothing, I think conference play should be a true round robin with no east/west designation. No regular season crown. Then draw names from a hat to establish location of tournament. Then draw from a hat for seeding. Luck of the draw all the way.
Isn't our record 25-8 (14-4)? Seems to me that is good enough to at least be considered for an NCAA tournament play-in game, especially considering we finished in first place in conference. Tech's season was the best in the conference and certainly should be considered for the tourney. Tech has averaged 25 wins the last 4 seasons. Would that be a consideration of the selection committee? If the committee takes into consideration this team's "body of work," Tech should be selected. I haven't that any one is giving us a shot at getting in, and I don't understand that.
I have never understood why the conference tourney winner receives the auto bid instead of the regular season champion. Both could receive bids as I am sure there are less than 32 conferences.
I agree. I think the conference champion should be the winner of the conference, not a 4 day tournament. The setup is what it is though. The ideal setup would be for the regular season champion to receive the auto bid, and the rest of the top 5 to play a round robin 3 day tournament to decide tha nit bid/ strengthen at large bid at the conference winners gym. Until that happens Tech has to win games against top 100 opposition at at least a winning clip. And not lose to the conference bottom feeders.
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