Big 12 to explore expanding by as many as four schools

[Tech77]

The Mormon church gave up polygamy when that practice became a political hot potato, so to say that Mormons don't waiver in their tenets is total BS. They'll also find a way to justify playing ball on Sunday's if that's what it takes to get their program into a P5 conference. Don't kid yourself, the Mormons are just as greedy as every other religion, and none of them let anything come between themselves and money.

Please list all of the religions and tell us how each of them fit your statement.

[DONW]

This completely misunderstands the dynamics of the Utah/BYU rivalry. Except for UU alums, Mormons root for BYU whether they attended that school or not*. It's the school of Mormons, in and outside of the state And, of course, BYU has fans outside the state. Fans who didn't go to BYU. Fans who've never spent more than a vacation in Utah. That's why they were able to get their own TV contract in a way that few schools could, earning more per home game than most G5 earn in a season. They had football attendance of 60k when they were playing in the Mountain West Conference, and outdraw Utah in basketball despite Provo and despite playing in the WCC instead of the Pac-12.

* - The flipside of the coin is that non-Mormons like myself will vaguely root for Utah in that rivalry, but not with nearly the same degree of enthusiasm.

Why did the PAC 12 take Utah over BYU. Utah jumped ahead of BYU when they joined the PAC 12. That's a fact. I have a friend that's a mormon and I've never heard him say one word about BYU. Didn't BYU just lose their coach to a low tier ACC school?

[parialex]

The Pac-12 chose Utah because (a) The Mormon thing, (b) The Sunday thing, and (c) academics (it's a competitive school to get into, but looked at askance in academic circles.

I didn't know that you knew a Mormon, though. That changes everything.

[Wade_Antley]

The University of Utah already has the state of Utah and Salt Lake City area for the PAC 12. I don't see the Big 12 being able to compete with the PAC 12 in Utah. I see no advantage for the Big 12 to take BYU unless they think they can turn Texans into mormons and I definitely wouldn't count on that.

I was kinda rambling and didn't really make a point but here is the point that I wanted to make....

Soon, there will be a service like Netflix that only shows sports. Maybe it's called Sportflix, I don't know (but if it is I said it here first and will sue for royalties), but that's the direction we're headed. No more paying for cable, and all of that stuff. You just get what you want. Digital footprints will play a part in expansion in the not so far off future. So my point was, adding BYU (football only) will have a greater potential in the long run then a urban school like Memphis which may add tv sets now but when cable starts drying up and more content moves to paid streaming services, BYU will get more clicks.

[DONW]

The Pac-12 chose Utah because (a) The Mormon thing, (b) The Sunday thing, and (c) academics (it's a competitive school to get into, but looked at askance in academic circles.

I didn't know that you knew a Mormon, though. That changes everything.

The PAC 12 may have looked at head to head competition against Utah also. Utah leads 55-31. If they used the religion excuse as the reason they couldn't get in the PAC 12, why are they now trying to get in the Big 12, a conference that is not as good of a fit as the PAC 12. If you look at their schedule since they left the MWC in 2011, their home schedule is mostly against MWC schools and Utah and Utah State every other year. I look for them to join the MWC again in the next 3-4 years. I don't believe they'll get in the Big 12. I did have two mormon missionaries drop by my house once. The first question I asked them was if they believed Brigham Young was innocent in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Their reply to me was, what is the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They left right after I told them what it was. If Utah had been a state then, it would have been the second largest terrorist attack in the history of our country.

[DONW]

I was kinda rambling and didn't really make a point but here is the point that I wanted to make....

Soon, there will be a service like Netflix that only shows sports. Maybe it's called Sportflix, I don't know (but if it is I said it here first and will sue for royalties), but that's the direction we're headed. No more paying for cable, and all of that stuff. You just get what you want. Digital footprints will play a part in expansion in the not so far off future. So my point was, adding BYU (football only) will have a greater potential in the long run then a urban school like Memphis which may add tv sets now but when cable starts drying up and more content moves to paid streaming services, BYU will get more clicks.

There may not be that many mormons by the time that happens. Just go on Youtube and search ex-mormons. People are learning more and more about the lies this religion is based on. There's one guy that was a mormon for 40 years that has his own internet call in show educating people about mormonism and he lives in Utah.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j7Wu72wotE He has many followers that are ex-mormon. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young must have been some kind of salesmen. It's disgusting to me that a university is named after a guy that raped 55 women and was responsible for having 120 settlers killed that were crossing Utah on their way to California.

[Wade_Antley]

Look, we get it, you hate mormons. They didn't get into the PAC12 because the California schools said no, so they took Utah which is the same thing only not owned by a church.

[parialex]

The PAC 12 may have looked at head to head competition against Utah also. Utah leads 55-31. If they used the religion excuse as the reason they couldn't get in the PAC 12, why are they now trying to get in the Big 12, a conference that is not as good of a fit as the PAC 12. If you look at their schedule since they left the MWC in 2011, their home schedule is mostly against MWC schools and Utah and Utah State every other year. I look for them to join the MWC again in the next 3-4 years. I don't believe they'll get in the Big 12. I did have two mormon missionaries drop by my house once. The first question I asked them was if they believed Brigham Young was innocent in the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Their reply to me was, what is the Mountain Meadows Massacre. They left right after I told them what it was. If Utah had been a state then, it would have been the second largest terrorist attack in the history of our country.

I get that you have a chip on your shoulder about Mormons. Guess what? So do I. That's because I lived in and around Mormonland for a significant chunk of my adult life. I even recognize Mormon surnames. I didn't like. I rooted for the Utes all the way. But that's neither here nor there. BYU was never considered a candidate for the Pac-12 for the aforementioned reasons. It was never about performance or fan interest. In their final years together in the MWC, UU and BYU pulled similar TV numbers despite Utah being much better for much longer.

BYU has all of the makings of a successful program and Utah's success doesn't change that. Despite their crappy conference situation - which cost them that coach - they still pulled nearly 60k fans a game for football and 16k a game for basketball. When they came to Houston, 15k of their fans showed up. They've got money. There is a reason they keep coming up despite making no geographic sense whatsoever and coming with a lot of baggage.

I don't know if they get into the Big 12 or not. I would bet not, actually, on account of geography and especially the Honor Code problem. I'm rather hoping that they don't for multiple reasons. But if they don't, it won't be because the Utes own Utah. The state's own legislature prefers BYU.

[Wade_Antley]

There may not be that many mormons by the time that happens. Just go on Youtube and search ex-mormons. People are learning more and more about the lies this religion is based on. There's one guy that was a mormon for 40 years that has his own internet call in show educating people about the religion and he lives in Utah. He has many followers that are ex-mormon. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young must have been some kind of salesmen. It's disgusting to me that a university is named after a guy that raped 55 women and was responsible for having 120 settlers killed that were crossing Utah on their way to California.

It's funny who we honor from our past. I mean how many thousands of native Americans did Andrew Jackson have killed? Not enough to keep him off the $20 bill...

[PawDawg]

It's funny who we honor from our past. I mean how many thousands of native Americans did Andrew Jackson have killed? Not enough to keep him off the $20 bill...

Talk about a horrible analogy...Did you get this one from PBS or some PC blog?

Andrew Jackson was an American hero. Thousands? Really?

I suppose you hate most of the founding fathers as well?

[Wade_Antley]

I live in Canada, no PBS. (more of a combination of Ralph Waldo Emerson and Johnny Cashs opinion)

Indian Removal Act caused a lot of deaths.

I don't hate any of the founding fathers. The only people I really hate are Marlyn Mansion, Chris Jerrico, and a little bit of rancor for Joe Morgan because he always drove me crazy the way he praised Barry Bonds during any game. EVEN if it wasn't a Giants game.

I would actually like to see Ronald Reagan put on the $20 bill (since Jackson hated paper money).

And this all ties back into the Big XII discussion since it's right in the middle of Indian Territory.

[DONW]

Look, we get it, you hate mormons. They didn't get into the PAC12 because the California schools said no, so they took Utah which is the same thing only not owned by a church.

I don't hate mormons. 90% of todays' mormons are mormons because they were raised mormons. I would like to see all mormons leave the church because they would be better off without it. Here's a study that shows there are 36% of those that are raised mormon that are now leaving the church. http://religionnews.com/2015/09/16/m...ially-in-utah/. Do you know anything about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. These were settlers that were on their way from north Arkansas to California and they were ambushed by a group of mormons led by Brigham Young's son-in-law. The mormons pinned them down and killed several of them and then the mormons told them they would let them go through if they would surrender and hand in their guns. Then when they surrendered the mormons shot everyone of them even including the kids that were over 7 years old. 120 people were killed. The only reason they did this was to take their cows and their wagons. Brigham Young was even seen riding in one of the wagons after the massacre. If Brigham Young raped 55 women today, he would be sentenced to life in prison without parole and if Utah had been a state then he would have been hanged for the mountain meadows massacre..

Joseph Smith told the women that he married that if they didn't marry him they would go to hell along with the other members of their family. Of course, if they married him they would all go to heaven. Thank God somebody shot that bastard when he was trying to escape from jail. Too bad Brigham Young wasn't with him.

Mormonism is not a religion and is certainly not christianity, it is a cult. It was not started by good people. It's really sad that people join an organization like this. It was started by 2 thugs that wanted to mistreat women and be famous for having their own religion. Sidney Rigdon, a relative of Joseph Smith's, stole Solomon Spalding's manuscript of a fictional novel, from a print shop in Pittsburg and this is where the Book of Mormon came from. There are lots of sources for this information and since mormonism is only 180 years old, it's very reliable. And just about all of it was told by mormons or ex-mormons.

Are you one of those good mormons that wears his mormon underwear every day so the booger bears don't get you? Folks, this is not a joke they really have special underwear they wear.

[DONW]

It's funny who we honor from our past. I mean how many thousands of native Americans did Andrew Jackson have killed? Not enough to keep him off the $20 bill...

Are you saying it was okay for Brigham Young to kill those settlers because Andrew Jackson killed some indians? We killed a lot of Japanese and Nazis in WWII also.

[DONW]

I get that you have a chip on your shoulder about Mormons. Guess what? So do I. That's because I lived in and around Mormonland for a significant chunk of my adult life. I even recognize Mormon surnames. I didn't like. I rooted for the Utes all the way. But that's neither here nor there. BYU was never considered a candidate for the Pac-12 for the aforementioned reasons. It was never about performance or fan interest. In their final years together in the MWC, UU and BYU pulled similar TV numbers despite Utah being much better for much longer.

BYU has all of the makings of a successful program and Utah's success doesn't change that. Despite their crappy conference situation - which cost them that coach - they still pulled nearly 60k fans a game for football and 16k a game for basketball. When they came to Houston, 15k of their fans showed up. They've got money. There is a reason they keep coming up despite making no geographic sense whatsoever and coming with a lot of baggage.

I don't know if they get into the Big 12 or not. I would bet not, actually, on account of geography and especially the Honor Code problem. I'm rather hoping that they don't for multiple reasons. But if they don't, it won't be because the Utes own Utah. The state's own legislature prefers BYU.

I don't really have a problem with mormons. I actually do have a friend that is a mormon. I have a problem with things that are misrepesented by some people to other people to get them to join an organization that is founded on lies and corruption. You know, like today's democrat party. I just remembered I had a mormon that lived on the other side of a 100 ft pipeline easement that was on my property in Pineville and I had about 20 ft next to him. He was a big LSU fan and was always badmouthing Tech and praising LSU so that tells you how I felt about him. He had 10 kids and the oldest was 14. He asked me about selling him the 20 ft that I had next to him one day. I told him that I would sell it to him for whatever it came out to as a fraction of a lot. When I gave him the price he said it was too high. He came back a couple of months later and told me he wanted to buy it and I told him it wasn't for sale.

[Wade_Antley]

Don, we should meet up the next time I'm home for a game. You sound like my kinda people.