How do you feel about Dooley as AD?
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How do you feel about Dooley as AD?
I would say cautiously optimistic. I would say that Dooley has great potential as an athletic director, just like he has being a head coach. But can he do both simultaneously? Unless they increase the staffing in the AD's office and put quality people around him, probably not.
To be a success at both, Dooley has to administrate and not work as the AD. The more work he winds up doing the worse it will be for us.
At BEST - a short-term fix for a problem that needed a long-term solution....
At WORST - we spend ourselves to oblivion and have a bigger mess with our athletic department than we have right now -
I honestly don't think there is anything in between those two -
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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
Wrong. DD will be here for 4 years, at least, and he won't be allowed to spend us to oblivion.
I agree Dwayne. No way this is the long term fix. I respect Dooley. He could be a good football coach. He could be a good AD. Can he be good at both? Now we are like most high school in LA, the head football coach is the AD.
One thing is certain -Quote:
Originally Posted by olddog75
Time will tell -
I also agree that this is not a long-term solution. Even though I believe it is wrong to hire someone while also thinking about how to replace him down the road, I hope there is a plan formulating on how to hire a full-time AD in the relatively near future (I'm thinking within 2 years).
If you are going to include a choice like your last one, you should make the results public so we can at least see if it is really a Tech fan freaking out or just a flamer skewing the results (at the time I posted this, that choice had no votes, I'm just making a general suggestion for polls - I almost always wish the results were public, it is almost as interesting to see who votes for what as it is to see the vote totals).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken_Horndawgs
In a related story, Derek Dooley has just been named Vice President of Student Affairs. :D
I'm all for him being our AD. He certainly can't do any worse than his predecessor. Dooley seems like a big thinker, which is good. As long as he can make that work within our budget (all while increasing our budget) we are in good shape.
I think that there is a bigger picture that we can't see yet. Dooley is a great leader and an inspirational speaker -- if the fan base doesn't respond to him, then we have no one to blame but ourselves. It's time to put up or shut up IMHO.
I'm cautiously optimistic. I think he is going to push to get a lot things done that need to be done. This is going show us what kind of support we really have at the top.
And this goes back to my theory that Reneau plans to de-emphasize athletics within a few years and all this is window dressing until then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger
I think, when justifying this hire, we need to get over the mentality of "he can't do worse than his predecessor" or "I'd take him over Joakes anyday", etc... That is not what the other choice could have been. Anyway, I've been trying to hold it in because I don't want to sound negative, and I think most know I've been against this, but I really don't think Dooley is concerned with the entire athletic department as he is football. I'm not saying the others won't get attention. Just that it won't be by Dooley. I think he agreed to take this position for one reason and one reason only. To improve football facilities. I agree with what someone said that he won't interfere with the other sports, but I don't think he will really give them much attention. I believe he will be involved in fundraising but primarily in relation to football. I'm not making a judgement on that, just stating what I think will happen. Although, I do believe that the AD should be equally concerned about all programs. Even though I disagree with this move, I'll still continue to support Tech and do what I can when I can.
Yep, I was just pulling your strings. I would think that DD is committed to stay for a period of time and I would also hope that a number of the key alum. are totally on board with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
You are right Dirty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
Isn't the ad's job scheduling? I can't see Dooley doing much of that for any sport other than football.
count me as cautiously optimistic
If I'm not mistaken, I think the other coaches did their scheduling but with limitations attached.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabiddawg
Most of the coaches do their own scheduling with final approval from the AD. Sometimes scheduling is initiated through the AD's if there is a specific contact that the AD may have made at different conferences or meetings.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabiddawg
I stand corrected oh wise ones.:jester:Paw too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
We needed a long-term solution? Can you elaborate on what you mean? Long-term as in someone who will be here 20 years? I think our long term goals can and will be reached through sequential moves toward the goal and I see no reason why a continuous AD is needed to do that. I think that Dooley will give this program a shot in the arm and that we will be much closer to our goal when he moves on than we are today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
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I have to disagree with you because of Dooley's legal background. He knows that Title IX issues are some of the toughest that athletic departments face, and he understands that entire universities can be in hot water if they don't pay attention. He is now the guy in charge of ALL programs at La. Tech and he knows the responsibility that brings with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
If I had to guess, I would say that Dooley's legal background is one of the biggest things that attracted Reneau to him for the job. Reneau understands the headaches of Title IX, and he needed someone else who has not only an athletic understanding of it, but also a legal understanding.
I have been gone or paying attention to basball so I am totally surprised. Dooley does have a law degree and by being coach he is used to delegating resposibility. I did mark that I am excited but still mostly surprised at the move.
I'm holding off on any judgment. We know Dooley likes to plan, and he seems good at it.
I want results. They don't have to be immediate, but I want to see some of this stuff ACTUALLY DONE.
On a side note, sorry for not being around as much lately, but I'm about a week away from getting my research published and this is all really exciting, albeit time consuming.
I'll post this one again.
Read the list of DD's dad, HC/AD Vince Dooley's, accomplishments as the AD/HC performed at the same time for 9 years. You know DD got to watch this growing up and learned a thing or two. I say HC Dooley can pull this off guys! It wasn't that long ago it happened in the SEC.
"In many circles Vince Dooley is better known for his accomplishments off the field than his won-loss record. In his 25 years as athletic director (Dooley served as both coach and athletic director from 1979 until 1988), Georgia has become, for better or worse, one of the nation's high-profile programs, due in no small part to Dooley's vision, work ethic and loyalty from his staff."
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http://onlineathens.com/images/bullets/dot_black.gif From the files of the Athens Banner-Herald
New direction for the coach
The AD years
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http://onlineathens.com/stories/coac...40703009.shtml
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That is a whole 'nother UNIVERSE in terms of the state of college athletics as big business, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
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Originally Posted by Luminaire
I bet 1979 until 1988 at Georgia and in the SEC would compare to our situation in 2007. What DD observed and learned growing up with Vince Dooley as AD/HC I'm sure will effect him in the positive way to make it a similar universe. If not, then DD will try his best and make it be so.
Posted on News Star by ULM Fan
Ha. Ha. Ha. Another desperate move by a desperate administration. First you hire a guy who was a perennial decade plus TEs coach to be your head football coach and a year later you make him your AD. Tick-tock ... it's just a matter of time before Tech's athletic program completely falls a part.
Posted by: No1WarhawkFan on Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:44 pm
Well, for all the naysayers, this should convince you that we DEFINITELY made the right decision. When a nlulmer starts saying negative things, it is a true sign that we did the right thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Peace Corp
Obviously an astute member of that fine collection of people currently holding or presently pursuing a degree from that revered institution.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Peace Corp
I think we will know whether that is the case or not within a year. I am skeptical of this move but at the same time Dooley is a very smart guy and I don't see him taking this job unless he believes he is going to succeed - if he keeps getting stonewalled at every turn I think this will be over pretty quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
No Joke. If the naysayers say it is a bad hire, consider their previous lobby to keep JB3 employeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by champion110
So, Chelsea for President, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
The accomplishments of the father should not be confused with the accomplishments of the children. Dooley's accomplishments speak for themselves. He is a degreed lawyer and practiced for two years. He has experience coaching in the NFL and was the recruiting coordinator at LSU.
I admit I'm not fond of this move and it scares me more than excites me, but he has his own accomplishments separate from his father.
I really, really hope we got this one right.
I've never heard you speak such a theory, but I've often wondered the same thing. It's clear to me that Reneau doesn't put a premium on athletics. It is also clear to me that Reneau highly values his legacy. Perhaps we should make it clear to him that the sports fans plan on linking his legacy to athletics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
He knows very well that it is linked. Over the past year and a half, he has stepped up. This step is one that will take him further than any other that he could take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla
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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
You need to take some happy pills!!
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Originally Posted by THEarmada
Long term to me means 5 - 10 years. Short term means 2 - 5 years. Quick fix 1 - 2 years.
Well I don't know how long he stays in this dual role but I would be completely shocked if it falls into your defintion of quick fix or even the beginning of your definition of short term.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaDawg
I think you are aware of my first choice for AD. But like I have said before, in lieu of doing things the right way (which DR was NOT going to do) this is the best move we could have expected.
I have a strong gut feeling that this is going to payoff for Tech in a big way. And I think in most traditional college towns and athletic departments this would be a bad move. But for us, right now, in this town, I think this is going to be great. People at Tech with thin skin and fragile ego's are gonna hate this move but I think the fans are going to end up loving it.
People with thin skin and fragile egos are why we are where we are. Thankfully all of that is going to change for the way way way better now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdog13
This is huge!
I would have liked to see Dooley have a bowl season before this move was made, but when Oakes was shown the door, the timing went out the window.
Dooley will be a great coach and making him the AD will allow us to keep him longer. Recruits will be impressed when the AD visits.
I could be wrong, but I really thinks this will be a pivotal moment in Dawg athletics.
I think Dooley will do just fine....and I feel that making him AD was an OUTSTANDING move!!!! With leadership and vision....there is no limit for Tech.... and we all need to remember....Dooley wasn't hired as the football coach because he was an offensive guru or a great defensive minded guy....he was hired because of his experience with the game and his understanding of people......anyone that listens to him can't help but to be touched by his passion and commitment to excellence......he's a true leader.....and having those qualities means that he doesn't have to micromanage every logisitical detail of the athletics department...he just needs to put the right people in the positions to do the logistical work and have them report back to him with the details.....besides, we all know that Dooley will hold whomever he puts into those positions accountable for what they do..........the good'ole boy system is over....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg
I like it when you sang "More than a feeling" That was a cool song and you can mark me down as a fan!Quote:
Originally Posted by BOSTON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcsVP...eature=related
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Originally Posted by Bigdog13
yes...that's a good one....what do you think about this???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG04l-jplIc
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Originally Posted by Bigdog13
this one too....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js_iz17TzRA
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Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden http://www.latechbbb.com/forum/image...s/viewpost.gif
And this goes back to my theory that Reneau plans to de-emphasize athletics within a few years and all this is window dressing until then...
I agree on this one. Just chill for a while Dwayne. This was a great move I think. I also would have taking DD as the AD before he ever became our HC. This man is focused and driven to succeed. Again he was born and cred for these two jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by markay714
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Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla
Hold on there AG my man. That's a great comeback for sure but not apples to apples by any stretch of the imagination. Feel free to try again.
No one is saying he will be a good AD BECAUSE his father was a good AD. I think some of us think the fact his dad was an AD will be beneficial to Dooley while he is our AD.
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Originally Posted by Bigdog13
It is totally an apples to apples comparison. The accomplishments of Chelsea's parents don't make Chelsea qualified no more than Vince Dooley's accomplishments make our Coach Dooley qualified for his. There is a lot of talk about the stint of Vince Dooley as AD and Head Coach. The game was totally different and they are different people.Quote:
Originally Posted by TYLERTECHSAS
I hope he succeeds. I want him to succeed. I am going to do everything I can to invest in that success and help him succeed. I suggest that all of us do the same. There are reasons to believe he is qualified to do this, but the fact that his father did it isn't one of them.
In all fairness, you aren't the only one proclaiming this fact. You have to admit. The skeptics do have a reason to be skeptical on this. There is a LOT of time needed for both positions. I keep hearing people say that Coach Dooley is going to have this big support staff and Coach Dooley is going to, and Coach Dooley is going to...
...I'd really feel safer if I could look into their crystal ball too.
Title 9 suit here we come first time a women's team gets the brush off when asking for funding in the middle of football season
damn...forget working your way through the ranks....just have a name and some friends to support you and easy big-time job!
Wouldn't make her (or him) qualified for the job, but assuming she was qualified in her own right (just as you have pointed out DD's stand-alone qualifications), then I would have to say having seen the job done would be quite a bonus. Think of it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by Abominable Gorilla
qualified+seen it done up close > qualified
Not any worse than anywhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by hbcu
Is this breaking news? This a new thing in Louisiana public life? Guess Grambling never hires anyone based on name or connections (not that I think this was the reasoning for this hire).Quote:
Originally Posted by hbcu
Exactly -Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaDawg
Your AD should be the most stable and important position in your athletic department and the LOWEST profile - if you are going to go out on the limb go with the Vandy model or go bold and hire a VERY YOUNG up and comer -
Been following Tech a long, long time - and knowing the inner workings of how we've done business the last 20 years - this is a very scary move in my book -
I hope ya'll are right and I really HOPE I'm wrong -
I'm not sure I understand this. What we've been doing the last 20 years hasn't worked too well, so if this is scary because it is different from that - I'm ok with that for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwayne From Minden
If this is scary because it isn't going to fit in with the way things have been done, I don't think that is a bad thing.
According to the NS - his contract is for AD is 5 years. I think that qualifies as long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaDawg
Guys and Gals, I am simply posting what we term as long, short or quick fix in the Professional Sports sales/marketing world when we are strategically planning, promoting and selling. I am not judging this decision or weighing the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgmatic
I think you may be right, but I am pretty sure he will get quality people into those other positions (whether admin, coaches, or what not...) who do, and if they don't produce, he will find someone that will....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirtydawg